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Quote: KineticRR "Everton fan here who can speak on the whole relegation and sacking saga...

By the way, I actually went to the home game vs Saints over the last game vs Crystal Palace, so it was ALMOST worth it. I am a Season Ticket holder for Everton and Wire so I saw the change in the culture from club to fans...

For months we saw our Team (Everton) playing some utterly garbage football, week in week out. Poor squad selections, negative formations, complete inability to defend from set-pieces. Lampard comes in and we get 2 solid results, plus decent looking performances. Even competing with Man City for 85 minutes... Which was our equivalent to the Wire game vs Saints. BUT, we still let in numerous goals from set-pieces which cost us big games. So results-wise, it wasn't that different.

If anyone heard Sean Dyche's comment about Everton, saying "I don't think these guys know how to win", that's exactly what it felt like to me. And that's exactly where Wire are now... We can take whatever lead we like but we have the overwhelming feeling that we are about to mess it up.

After 5 weeks under Lampard, the football had to be reverted to a Sam Allardyce style, so we didn't look any better then we did under Benitez. And I don't think Wire would look any better with a new coach right now either, and Everton still lost big games and looked shocking under Lampard at times. BUT, the difference was home games. As Everton fans, we had the collective feeling that Goodison was going to be our fortress and our players will get 100% from us and we expect 100% effort in return. As soon as we conceded a goal, we remained quiet as expected but as the cheering from opposition wore off, the crowd got back on side with the players, because they needed us. They'd been humiliated all season, so they needed us backing them, to get their heads focused on the fight.

And that's what the Warrington players need too. We only have 2 home games left, but we have got to be fully onside with the players, including during bad performances. Whoever has the drum needs to be going for close to 80 minutes. We need the South Stand making noise constantly, and we have to get behind the players when they make a mistake, concede a try, or lose the lead. We might only need 4 points to stay up, and the best way for that to happen is to do everything that we can to get ourselves those wins at home. Even if that doesn't happen, they need to know that we're still with them when playing away.

The Halliwell Jones Stadium has got to become a fortress. We must get behind the players for everything. Even after mistakes, they need to know that we are still there for them.

For Everton, the performances were hard to watch, but for the sake of our club, we had to change our attitude from the booing and shouting. It had to be done. Wherever you stand on Powell, that doesn't matter. It wasn't even about Lampard anymore. It was just about showing the players that their fans believed in them.

I know money is tight for everyone right now, but if you can afford to go to the last home games, please do. We need attendance, we need noise, and we need positivity. Criticism is understandable, which Everton players got online, but at the games, we're there until the end.

"Wire till I die" has never been so important.'"

Not an Everton fan, but do you think the atmosphere at Goodison would’ve been what it was towards the end of the season had Rafa Benitez still been in charge? Or would the discontent and the frustrations on the terraces towards the manager, the board and team, which was ongoing for sometime, still have been evident?

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Quote: DAG "Not an Everton fan, but do you think the atmosphere at Goodison would’ve been what it was towards the end of the season had Rafa Benitez still been in charge? Or would the discontent and the frustrations on the terraces towards the manager, the board and team, which was ongoing for sometime, still have been evident?'"


It's definitely possible. Lampard did seem to help in changing the atmosphere. But he was brought in with 4 or 5 months to go. Not with 8 weeks left.

As I mention, at a certain point, the performances looked no better under Lampard then they did Benitez. So that's kind of my reasoning for sacking Powell now maybe not being that ideal. As there are still going to be underlying issues...

Everton - Losing big games in the last 10 minutes. And unable to defend set-pieces.
Wire - Losing big games in the last 10-20 minutes. And unable to defend the line.

We were still a very bad team even under Lampard. The main catalyst for the fight, sprit and desire to keep going was ultimately the fans getting behind the team.

Maybe putting someone else in charge would spur the team on to win the next few games to keep us up. And in doing so, will keep fans spirits up.

But since Everton fans were never exactly welcoming to Benitez, Wire fans were still somewhat excited about the prospect of Powell taking us to the next step with a rebuild, the board won't realistically remove Powell. He's still capable of getting us to score points, we just can't defend and we forfeit leads too easily. As much as the fight should come from the coach, it's just not happening, so from experience, it falls on us.

So either fans need to make a massive protest now to get Powell out, and not just say it on Forums and Social Media, but a full on protest to make it happen as the club probably won't at this stage. If fans aren't going to do that, then we do kind of need to put the complaining aside for now, just at the stadium, until we get through this mess.

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Quote: jools "Regardless of what the fans think of Powell and what’s going on there. The players maybe aren’t playing for Powell, we don’t know whether that’s the case- but what’s clear is that the players aren’t playing for you the fans either, and why would they!
Compare that to Wakefield who are in a dire position, with a poor coach very much out of his depth, and it’s clear that those players - many of them in key positions it appears are leaving that club at the end of the season, are very much playing for the fans.'"


With all due respect you can't compare these clubs in terms of fans expectations.

Wakey play in a ground that looks like downtown Baghdad, with a bang average team (Bar 2 diamonds) on a budget of about 68p and no hope of finishing above mid table at best every year.

Wire however play and train in state of the art facilities, we are bank rolled by two multi-millionaires with a team (on paper at least) that some clubs can only dream of. We are littered with internationals and marquee names who until recently, were not expected to finish outside the top 4 at the bare minimum.

So you see, Wakey fans are happy to accept mediocrity and spend every season waiting for those or or two "big" wins, because that's as good as it gets. Wire fans however (or the ones with any sense at least), demand more from the players and the club because when you have a team with the names and talent like we do, and the amount of money and investment that's been pumped into the club; plus the recent history of success with the LLS and the Challenge cup. That's where the bar should be set.

And if the players cant handle criticism and frustration from the fans after only winning 4 games from the last 19, then they aren't in the right job. 8th time this season I think it is we've blown a 2 score lead in the last 15 minutes. You can't put any blame on the fans here. The fans on the whole have stuck with the lads all season but this last month has been the straw that's broken even the most staunchest "Real fans" back. Enough is enough.

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Quote: KineticRR "Everton fan here who can speak on the whole relegation and sacking saga...

By the way, I actually went to the home game vs Saints over the last game vs Crystal Palace, so it was ALMOST worth it. I am a Season Ticket holder for Everton and Wire so I saw the change in the culture from club to fans...

For months we saw our Team (Everton) playing some utterly garbage football, week in week out. Poor squad selections, negative formations, complete inability to defend from set-pieces. Lampard comes in and we get 2 solid results, plus decent looking performances. Even competing with Man City for 85 minutes... Which was our equivalent to the Wire game vs Saints. BUT, we still let in numerous goals from set-pieces which cost us big games. So results-wise, it wasn't that different.

If anyone heard Sean Dyche's comment about Everton, saying "I don't think these guys know how to win", that's exactly what it felt like to me. And that's exactly where Wire are now... We can take whatever lead we like but we have the overwhelming feeling that we are about to mess it up.

After 5 weeks under Lampard, the football had to be reverted to a Sam Allardyce style, so we didn't look any better then we did under Benitez. And I don't think Wire would look any better with a new coach right now either, and Everton still lost big games and looked shocking under Lampard at times. BUT, the difference was home games. As Everton fans, we had the collective feeling that Goodison was going to be our fortress and our players will get 100% from us and we expect 100% effort in return. As soon as we conceded a goal, we remained quiet as expected but as the cheering from opposition wore off, the crowd got back on side with the players, because they needed us. They'd been humiliated all season, so they needed us backing them, to get their heads focused on the fight.

And that's what the Warrington players need too. We only have 2 home games left, but we have got to be fully onside with the players, including during bad performances. Whoever has the drum needs to be going for close to 80 minutes. We need the South Stand making noise constantly, and we have to get behind the players when they make a mistake, concede a try, or lose the lead. We might only need 4 points to stay up, and the best way for that to happen is to do everything that we can to get ourselves those wins at home. Even if that doesn't happen, they need to know that we're still with them when playing away.

The Halliwell Jones Stadium has got to become a fortress. We must get behind the players for everything. Even after mistakes, they need to know that we are still there for them.

For Everton, the performances were hard to watch, but for the sake of our club, we had to change our attitude from the booing and shouting. It had to be done. Wherever you stand on Powell, that doesn't matter. It wasn't even about Lampard anymore. It was just about showing the players that their fans believed in them.

I know money is tight for everyone right now, but if you can afford to go to the last home games, please do. We need attendance, we need noise, and we need positivity. Criticism is understandable, which Everton players got online, but at the games, we're there until the end.

"Wire till I die" has never been so important.'"


Spot on fella.

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Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "That wasn't the comment I was referring to. Revisit your posts to me, and mine to you, as that will help you to understand where I'm coming from.

Were all on the same side, and non of us want the Wire to go down, or be worse off than we were under previous regimes etc. etc. but we all have a different view of how this should be achieved, and an individual right to it.

Your insults only hand credibility to those supporters who don't match up your benchmark, of what their behaviour should be when watching a live game, especially when used in a scattergun way.'"


Please point out the insult if you don't mind.

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Quote: moving on... "With all due respect you can't compare these clubs in terms of fans expectations.

Wakey play in a ground that looks like downtown Baghdad, with a bang average team (Bar 2 diamonds) on a budget of about 68p and no hope of finishing above mid table at best every year.

Wire however play and train in state of the art facilities, we are bank rolled by two multi-millionaires with a team (on paper at least) that some clubs can only dream of. We are littered with internationals and marquee names who until recently, were not expected to finish outside the top 4 at the bare minimum.

So you see, Wakey fans are happy to accept mediocrity and spend every season waiting for those or or two "big" wins, because that's as good as it gets. Wire fans however (or the ones with any sense at least), demand more from the players and the club because when you have a team with the names and talent like we do, and the amount of money and investment that's been pumped into the club; plus the recent history of success with the LLS and the Challenge cup. That's where the bar should be set.

And if the players cant handle criticism and frustration from the fans after only winning 4 games from the last 19, then they aren't in the right job. 8th time this season I think it is we've blown a 2 score lead in the last 15 minutes. You can't put any blame on the fans here. The fans on the whole have stuck with the lads all season but this last month has been the straw that's broken even the most staunchest "Real fans" back. Enough is enough.'"

Totally agree..the paying spectator pays his money to be entertained and we are clearly not being entertained

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Shame we can't transfer out some of our fans. Over the past 2/3/4/5 weeks, I don't think I've read, on any forum, such spoilt, self entitled drivel - even on redvee. Even on Redcafe (I'm not a Utd fan), the forum for one of the largest sporting entities; one of the most successful entities; I haven't read so much disdain and self entitlement.

If we do go down, which I don't think we will; the one crumb of comfort will be to know that our sizable contingent of moaning fans will be peeved off.

As a club, our fans could learn quite a few lessons from proper supporters like Everton (I'm not an Everton fan).

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Quote: Gazwire "Shame we can't transfer out some of our fans. Over the past 2/3/4/5 weeks, I don't think I've read, on any forum, such spoilt, self entitled drivel - even on redvee. Even on Redcafe (I'm not a Utd fan), the forum for one of the largest sporting entities; one of the most successful entities; I haven't read so much disdain and self entitlement.

If we do go down, which I don't think we will; the one crumb of comfort will be to know that our sizable contingent of moaning fans will be peeved off.

As a club, our fans could learn quite a few lessons from proper supporters like Everton (I'm not an Everton fan).'"

You got a season ticket mate?

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Quote: moving on... "With all due respect you can't compare these clubs in terms of fans expectations.

Wakey play in a ground that looks like downtown Baghdad, with a bang average team (Bar 2 diamonds) on a budget of about 68p and no hope of finishing above mid table at best every year.

Wire however play and train in state of the art facilities, we are bank rolled by two multi-millionaires with a team (on paper at least) that some clubs can only dream of. We are littered with internationals and marquee names who until recently, were not expected to finish outside the top 4 at the bare minimum.

So you see, Wakey fans are happy to accept mediocrity and spend every season waiting for those or or two "big" wins, because that's as good as it gets. Wire fans however (or the ones with any sense at least), demand more from the players and the club because when you have a team with the names and talent like we do, and the amount of money and investment that's been pumped into the club; plus the recent history of success with the LLS and the Challenge cup. That's where the bar should be set.

And if the players cant handle criticism and frustration from the fans after only winning 4 games from the last 19, then they aren't in the right job. 8th time this season I think it is we've blown a 2 score lead in the last 15 minutes. You can't put any blame on the fans here. The fans on the whole have stuck with the lads all season but this last month has been the straw that's broken even the most staunchest "Real fans" back. Enough is enough.'"


and there you have it you EXPECT. you have no right to expect anything, you have just described your club trying to buy success from a bunch of mercenaries who get paid but have no love for your club and will receive none in return.
You still even in this post look down on another club who have beaten you three times this season and may well have saved themselves from being sent down by doing just that - and have put you in the position you find yourselves in! they have done that by sticking together (and I have no love for Wakefield - cant stand the club and are willing them to finally go down this season, but credit where its due!)
When you haven't got what you wanted you have had behaved like spoilt kids and had a tantrum. ........and yet you expect the players to behave any less entitled than you.......... says it all really.

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Quote: DallasMead2 "You got a season ticket mate?'"


No, because of my work patterns. Is that ok with you mate?

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Quote: Gazwire "No, because of my work patterns. Is that ok with you mate?'"

Good God, imagine having to work with the bellend??

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Quote: sir adrian morley "Totally agree..the paying spectator pays his money to be entertained and we are clearly not being entertained'"


Try getting a circus season ticket.

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Quote: Wiremansam "Good God, imagine having to work with the bellend??'"


Lol

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Quote: Gazwire "Try getting a circus season ticket.'"

Why would I wanna do that

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20:00
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20:00
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 Sun 23rd Feb 2025
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14:30
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 Thu 6th Mar 2025
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 Fri 7th Mar 2025
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 Sat 8th Mar 2025
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 Sun 9th Mar 2025
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 Thu 20th Mar 2025
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 Fri 21st Mar 2025
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Warrington
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Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
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17:30
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SL
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Wigan-Huddersfield
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20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
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St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
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