I think we will all be surprised with how burgess deals with this lot, discipline!

No problem, my fault for my comment not being clear enough

We should really be thankful that our last ditch defence worked so well & aggrieved that both Saints tries looked to be off forward passes.

It was a change to watch a match where defence played such a big part. but we really need to stop opponents from making so much yardage on sets of six.

Hang about they exerted huge pressure in the first half and scored off a forward pass. We did a massive amount of defending which takes its toll. I think your comment is very unfair.

There's often a different perspective if you're at the game or watching on TV.

I think they deserved to win overall but we definitely had them on the ropes in that second half and fine margins again contributed to our defeat.

They were nervy and they were more than a bit relieved I'd say

Yes gutsy losers isn't where any of us want to be but I left the ground looking forward to next season

Oh well. Nevermind. You lost for the 4th time this season. Your unhealthy embarassing obsession with St Helens will have to wait another year.

To the proper Warrington fans..unlucky. Your players gave everything. It’s on burgess to get them up for every game, not just saints. If he can do that you will be there or thereabouts

Robsriches/LeBron/Steph/Warringtonwolve69/DavefromParrfathers4justice…..just stop it pal, she’s not coming back and neither are the kids.

Gutsy losers is better than we have been in the past and I preferred this to our other first round playoff exits under Price.

It was more like 2003 in Cullen's first full year (was that really 20 years ago...?!) when we went up to Wigan in our first ever SL playoff appearance and gave a good fist of it.

They made about three clean line breaks and bombed at least three tries first half. When we finally got a foothold in the game, drew level and they were down to 12 we failed to capitialise and they scored off their first attack of the 2nd half.

Easy mate they want a scum v scum final

Totally agree with you..give me Lomax anyday..he's only here cos Wigan wouldn't cave in to his over inflated wage demands..earn your money or do one

Probably true, few weeks back Sky were running a draw to give 3000 tickets away for the Grand final, then it disappeared and not seen anything to say why. Maybe it’s been decided it’s not a good look for Catalan to be in the show piece final.

Williams has been trying his nuts off all season without a half back partner. Stick Drinkwater in any of the other top 6 teams and see how they get on.

Having watched it back, I don’t think Thaler had a bad game at all. The two sin bins were from intervention from the video ref, and like it or not they are consistent. The frustration there, and we tried it on multiple occasions as did they, staying down to wait for the video ref to look at it. If you stay down, you’re injured, go for a HIA. Crowther did for the Walmsley one, but Lees, Ratchford and Sironen (think he was complaining about his neck though) didn’t.

The difference between them and us in the “decision winning” areas is they are really effective at getting tangled in tackles. From the channel 4 coverage you can hear Thaler on multiple occasions saying “trapped in”. But, why would you trap in a player when you’ve won the ruck? Why when you’re getting up to try and get a quick play the ball would you deliberately trap in a defender? That is my frustration with the officials, I’m not certain that they truly understand the game. Not the black and white rules, but the intricacies that the elite players try to manipulate to get that extra 1%.

We had it with Charnley, he was superb at winning penalties. Often making a complete holy show of trying to get up and deliberately trapping arms and legs in. It’s learned behaviour, but it just seems that we don’t learn it.

The RFL should be looking for some coaching from ex-players and coaches, not to look at the black and white offences, but those in the grey. The context of the game often is the indicator.

It’s the same with the 6 again rule. I think there was a period in the second half where we got three in our favour but all on the first tackle. That is coached in. Slow it down, don’t let us build momentum and just defend one more tackle than allow us to roll upfield. Referees should know better, it’s borderline a professional foul. And that isn’t just St Helens that do that, it’s all of those teams and players who a) fully understand the rules and b) can think clearly in the chaos. In the same circumstance, we lose the ruck and end up giving away the penalty by shooting off the line as quickly as we can to try and correct the problem (see the Crowther and Bullock penalties yesterday).

It’s frustrating, but that’s the difference between the best and the rest. It’s evident in the use of the sun bin time too. We kicked a penalty, messed around with players not getting back behind the play the ball and delaying the restart and wasted 30 seconds by not binding the scrum and calling time off, that’s probably 2:30/3 minutes worth of 10 without one of their middle men. Complete mindlessness. Can’t cope in the heat of the battle, leadership void and no game sense either on the pitch or those on the sidelines sending messages on.

Absolutely spot on....the fine margins and what makes it harder to take it was a rinse and repeat of the league game a couple of weeks ago