The Labour Party initiated the SureStart scheme and have overseen improved exam results and increased university intakes, particularly amongst kids from working class* backgrounds and state schools. The Tories remain conspicuously tight-lipped over SureStart and want to reduce Student funding and University places.


*No need for anybody to pick up on the 'classless society' from before.

it does, as well as the rise of the services industry. do you think it's correct to blame the slowness out of recession due to the tories focus on the services industry when the services industry has grown under labour and the tories haven't been anywhere near number 10 for 13 years...?

If he is prepared to raise tax to continue stimulating the economy, he has my vote, unequivocally.

That is exactly what I have been hoping one of the parties would say.

Go on then, explain to me how that increases the country's GNP please.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything. I still want to know the absolute figures for manufacturing output in 1979, 1997 and 2010.

Quelle surprise.

why..? this isn't about manufacturing! go and find them if you're that fussed though, try the ons first or whatever it's called.

That whole stupid Mail article was about manufacturing!

Unless you live in Warrington South* then it is highly unlikely your vote will make any difference to the result of the election.

* in relation to posters living within Warrington UA.

No, no, no - please, you first.

Finish off what you started instead of changing the direction of what we were discussing.

[sizeps - you're being insulting to garage owners going on about the GDP unless they happen to be one of your special providers of services for free.[/size

I love watching BBC Parliament.

I answered your question. What does a garage owner (or many other service providers) do that adds to the nation's wealth?

Good isn't it.

no it isn't. the actual figures are utterly irrelevant to the argument being made anyway.

What argument?