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And there's no fun reading the same message on multiple threads and that applies to both sides of the argument I was going to use the word debate but that implies a higher level of thought than we are currently showing as a FORUM.

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Quote: Gazwire "Probably read the spoilt crap on here and realised what our fan base is truly made up of.

Probably read reams of moaning nonsense from posters like Raticusfinch and thought 'I'm not subsidising people like that'.'"


It clearly bothers you that people have opinions differing from yours, so I ask why come on here and what gives you the right to call someone’s opinion a moan. I get people don’t agree with everything ever said on here but it feels like you are attacking peoples rights to their opinions

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He’s still listed as a director at Companies House - you can of course be a director but not a shareholder though.

I assume Middleton has become a shareholder based on the amount he’s invested over the past few years, but be very surprised if SJM walked away. Middleton is Chairman, maybe that is where the rumour came from?

Also reported a loss of £1.1m in 2021 and some significant borrowings (£1.5m taking borrowings to £2.7m in total if I’m reading it right), which is hardly surprising - don’t think I’ve seen that reported anywhere? Guardian normally mention it…

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Quote: Uncle Rico "And there's no fun reading the same message on multiple threads and that applies to both sides of the argument I was going to use the word debate but that implies a higher level of thought than we are currently showing as a FORUM.'"


I totally back mods decisions to lock thread after thread. People have a right to be optimistic the same as the right to be pessimistic. UR is right it's getting boring, name-calling can't be making anyone feel better right?

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These insults on one thread are bad enough but others is just getting out of hand.Can we just stop it plz?

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Quote: karetaker "It clearly bothers you that people have opinions differing from yours, so I ask why come on here and what gives you the right to call someone’s opinion a moan. I get people don’t agree with everything ever said on here but it feels like you are attacking peoples rights to their opinions'"


It certainly doesn't, I respect other people's opinions. What I will robustly respond to are posts which edge towards being personal - and they've been quite a few. What you have to be careful of Karetaker is taking posts out of context and what I mean is: Raticussfinch hasn't been particularly pleasant in some of his wording in posts debating content I've posted, and therefore I haven't been pleasant back. If people are respectful to me they'll get it back, no matter what they're opinion. If not, then they get what they get back. So rather than isolate a post, try and contextualise it before making judgement.

Also Karetaker, why are you just singling me out? For more creditability, you need to be highlighting others - but I understand you'd prefer to stay in the majority.

Also, it may be worth pointing out, that there are fans on here who aren't anti Powell, or still undecided. There are a considerable number of posters on here who've turned this into a no go area for them. Ditas Slot Meter made some good posts on the game thread and was unpleasantly shot down a few times. For this forum to be a no go area for people with opinions that differ to a majority is extremely poor. (Please don't tell me that only Ditas Slot Meter and my self aren't anti Powell).

That said, peace to all. Apologies if some haven't liked my tone. Its a passionate debate with strong opinions. It's going to get heated sometimes - a bit too much and I'm one of the guilty ones for that. But we're all ultimately on the same side, and I think if/when things improve, we'll all be happier. No hard feelings to anyone including Raticusfinch - I know you're just expressing dissatisfaction and fair play.

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Is 2.7 million a lot when Morans wealth is reported at £170 million and Middleton £100 million, I’m sure if I bagged that £191 million euro million win the other day I could pay all the depts happily and still have a bit of change.

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Is 2.7 million a lot when Morans wealth is reported at £170 million and Middleton £100 million, I’m sure if I bagged that £191 million euro million win the other day I could pay all the depts happily and still have a bit of change.

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Quote: WILLOWSTOURS "Is 2.7 million a lot when Morans wealth is reported at £170 million and Middleton £100 million, I’m sure if I bagged that £191 million euro million win the other day I could pay all the depts happily and still have a bit of change.'"


The debts are likely payable to Moran or Middleton.

Paying off Powells contract will be chump change in comparison.

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Quote: Wires71 "The debts are likely payable to Moran or Middleton.

Paying off Powells contract will be chump change in comparison.'"


Government loans via the (RFL) I believe.

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Unsure how true but ain’t the club in a couple million quid of debt..

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Quote: morrisseyisawire "I'd hope Mr Moran acknowledges that his businesses are only viable as long as customers are happy. There are other ticket agencies than SJM, there are other sports clubs than us crying out for fans, sponsorship and patrons. Not every fan or organisation will continue to hand over money ad nauseum out of loyalty.'"


I expect most Wire fans will be as likely to switch their RL team as they are to switch their water supplier.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "I expect most Wire fans will be as likely to switch their RL team as they are to switch their water supplier.'"


I daresay, and my allegiance to Wires is unbreakable, the point I was making is RL isn't the only sport, and fans get disillusioned and move on - particularly when abject performances and high cost of living go hand in hand.

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Quote: Bobby Digital "Unsure how true but ain’t the club in a couple million quid of debt..'"


This wouldn’t surprise me. I’ve noticed a distinct lack of upkeep and maintenance on the stadium in recent months. The terracing is stickier than Level on a Friday night, and there is significant and noticeable rust on the outer structures of the stadium.

It’s a sign that costs are being cut behind the scenes to save money. Had the board of directors appointed a suitable coach who isn’t leading us to relegation, I’m sure ticket revenue would be much higher and help to ease the financial hardship. If Karl Fitzpatrick wasn’t messing about with NFTs and other useless marketing gimmicks, we’d likely have saved a fair chunk of budget.

This is why I Fitzpatrick should also go. He’s ruining the club off field while Powell ruins it on field.

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Quote: Wires71 "People on warrington facebook groups are saying he has sold his shares to Middleton. Anyone know if there is any truth in this?'"

No he hasn’t.

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