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| We’ve been through this on other threads. 15 of the squad are Powell’s men. He’s not getting the best out of those. If it was just those on the way out underperforming I’d consider believing that nonsense, but Cooper and Widdop are among our better performers (not a lot to pick from, granted).
If we go down, it’s because the board and the executive have failed to put plan effectively, set attainable targets and/or hold staff to account for failing to meet them.
It’s an embarrassment from the top down, but players capable of finishing 3rd last year down turn into relegation fodder overnight. Simply put, we’re not as well prepared as we were last year.
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| Quote: wireforever "Darryl's new management and training regimes have seen no improvement whatsoever, not even from the group of players who will be here next year. If anything their performances have got worse. Defence and kicking are abysmal. So, why is everyone saying that next season the team will really benefit from his training methods. If they haven't improved this year, what is he going to do differently next year that will have such an impact and why hasn't he already applied it this season.'"
Not everyone. Things need to start improving now, even though they should have a while ago. I've posted somewhere else that Powell ought to be taking training and ensuring that defensive and attacking structures are in place, because whatever his vision is for the way we play, is not what were watching on match day. This season mirrors 2002, when Wire lost 7 in a row, with Anderson and Plange at the helm. With ten games left, were well on the way down the same path of looking for another Paul Cullen, as it's hard to see where are next win is going to come from.
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| Quote: Gazwire "I can understand these players having a problem with the coach.
But to underperform to such a level, in front of paying supporters, and threatening the club with relagation for the first time in its 100 + year history is nothing short of a disgrace.
That last 10 minutes against Salford (conceding 3 trys) tells you all you need to know about this spoilt, complacent, uncaring bunch of individuals.
Powell may well have rocked the boat too much, and he may have been the wrong choice (I'm still backing him and still believe he was the right choice), but he knows that the club needs to clear the decks of the absolute rubbish we have representing our club.'"
For goodness sake, put the responsibility for the teams under performing on the bloke charged with COACHING the team. He picks the players, he coaches them, he gives them the game plan. Wake up and smell the coffee. He is yesterday's coach for a modern game. He should retire.
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| Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "We've been here before, the last time when Paul Cullen was brought in at the business end of the 2002 season.'"
We were also threatened with relegation at the end of Tony Smith's reign.
We didn't get relegated though so if we do get relegated this time, it will be the first time in 100+ years.
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| Quote: Wolf Hall "For goodness sake, put the responsibility for the teams under performing on the bloke charged with COACHING the team. He picks the players, he coaches them, he gives them the game plan. Wake up and smell the coffee. He is yesterday's coach for a modern game. He should retire.'"
So you think that players who've underperformed for 7 odd years for three different coaches aren't to blame. So if we get another coach in making it number 4 and they don't perform for him either, are you going to blame him?
You're right as well, it's purely the coach's is fault that those players blew a 22-8 lead conceding 3 trys in 10 minutes, what was Powell thinking!
Powell is not blameless, but the common denominator of underachievement, over the past 7 years, is the players. If you can't see this then it really is you that needs to smell the coffee.
It was only 3 years ago he won the league leaders shield and took them to a Grand Final. Yesterday's man?
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| Quote: Gazwire "...... these players will have a lot to answer for - an absolute disgrace to the shirt.'"
Just the players? Not the head coach and coaching team also?
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| Quote: Spanish Wire "Just the players? Not the head coach and coaching team also?'"
Powell's been here for half a season plus pre-season. The core of the players have been around for 5/6/7 years and underperformed.
How many more years are you going to give these players? How many more coaches do we need to go through to get a tune out of these players?
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| Quote: Gazwire "So you think that players who've underperformed for 7 odd years for three different coaches aren't to blame. So if we get another coach in making it number 4 and they don't perform for him either, are you going to blame him?
You're right as well, it's purely the coach's is fault that those players blew a 22-8 lead conceding 3 trys in 10 minutes, what was Powell thinking!
Powell is not blameless, but the common denominator of underachievement, over the past 7 years, is the players. If you can't see this then it really is you that needs to smell the coffee.
It was only 3 years ago he won the league leaders shield and took them to a Grand Final. Yesterday's man?'"
Yes, Yesterday's man.
Warrington haven't had the same players for 7 years, there has been a churn of players coming in and out so stop implying it is. Powell has had the choice of who to sign and retain for over a year now including 2 he brought with him. He had a full close season with no international interference. So what has he done in that time? Just look at the league table, the performance, the lack of team spirit, his continual criticism of mainly younger players, his constant excuses. It is so depressing. He is supposedly a coach who brings out the best in players, turns them into gold. Well, this guy is a reverse Midas, what were good players are now poor.
Wait to see how we go next year? Well if we do it will be in front of an empty stadium, nobody wants to watch this unless it is those who enjoy watching a car crash.
Thanks Mr Powell, your tried your best, but it is not good enough for Warrington.
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| Quote: Gazwire "Powell's been here for half a season plus pre-season. The core of the players have been around for 5/6/7 years and underperformed.
How many more years are you going to give these players? How many more coaches do we need to go through to get a tune out of these players?'"
I'm just not sure where this unwavering support for Powell comes from. I'm not saying the players are blameless,nor am I saying they're good enough, but facts are these players are better than what they've shown this season. As a team we look clueless. It is absolutely the coaches job to get the best out of the group he's got. I can't see a single department that's improved under Powell - can you? We're not fitter or stronger, we look less drilled, less disciplined, worse in attack and worse in defence. So what is it that makes you think he's the man to back and trust going forward? Genuine question not meaning to sound confrontational at all.
I hope I'm wrong and he is the right man, the saviour, the guy whose going to take us to a grand final win.....but so far there's absolutely zero to suggest he possibly might be.
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| Quote: Wolf Hall "Yes, Yesterday's man.
Warrington haven't had the same players for 7 years, there has been a churn of players coming in and out so stop implying it is. Powell has had the choice of who to sign and retain for over a year now including 2 he brought with him. He had a full close season with no international interference. So what has he done in that time? Just look at the league table, the performance, the lack of team spirit, his continual criticism of mainly younger players, his constant excuses. It is so depressing. He is supposedly a coach who brings out the best in players, turns them into gold. Well, this guy is a reverse Midas, what were good players are now poor.
Wait to see how we go next year? Well if we do it will be in front of an empty stadium, nobody wants to watch this unless it is those who enjoy watching a car crash.
Thanks Mr Powell, your tried your best, but it is not good enough for Warrington.'"
Ratch, Charnley, T King, Lineham, D Clark, J Clark, Cooper, Currie, Hughes are all supposed high profile players who've been around for the duration of Price's under achieving rein, some from earlier, and these players form the core of our squad (apart from the ones who have now left).
Are you seriously expecting us to to be performing well when many of those players who are still here have been told they need to improve, can't leave early and that they need to get out their comfort zone?
They're rebelling against the coach. Any coach brought in who's remit was to change the culture to a winning mentality would have faced the same problem imo to differing degrees. Powell, by the looks of it has gone in too harsh, but I'd rather that than get another yes man coach who's going to pander to the players.
Many of the great coaches at the greatest clubs in any sport are given time. It normally takes at least a season for new ideas to bed in - look at Watson at Huddersfield who were poor last season as an example.
People can say there are no shoots of recovery and I agree as I'm also disappointed and would have hoped for more, a lot more. But if we're going to change the culture medium to long term, it needs a root and branch clear out. Unfortunately Powell is stuck with these rebelling players for this season so we're going to have to ride it out.
Every single club he's managed, over 20 odd years, has improved and the players have improved also. There's no reason for this not to happen once he's rid the club of the players who don't give a monkeys. We'll have to wait til next season and judge him then.
I do agree though with a lot of things on here about the way he's gone about it, selection of young players and underperforming players for example.
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| Quote: Spanish Wire "I'm just not sure where this unwavering support for Powell comes from. I'm not saying the players are blameless,nor am I saying they're good enough, but facts are these players are better than what they've shown this season. As a team we look clueless. It is absolutely the coaches job to get the best out of the group he's got. I can't see a single department that's improved under Powell - can you? We're not fitter or stronger, we look less drilled, less disciplined, worse in attack and worse in defence. So what is it that makes you think he's the man to back and trust going forward? Genuine question not meaning to sound confrontational at all.
I hope I'm wrong and he is the right man, the saviour, the guy whose going to take us to a grand final win.....but so far there's absolutely zero to suggest he possibly might be.'"
The players are rebelling. They can't finish early and they've been told to improve and they don't like - it's player power. It's not that he can't coach and isn't a good coach; the players have apparently chosen not to take anything on board and are going through the motions.
We'll have to wait til next season to judge properly.
I'm not going to say too much more on this topic as I'm going round in circles saying similar things but on different threads.
I'll respectfully agree to disagree with anyone's who's disagreeing.
Fingers crossed for tomorrow.
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| Quote: Gazwire "The players are rebelling. They can't finish early and they've been told to improve and they don't like - it's player power. It's not that he can't coach and isn't a good coach; the players have apparently chosen not to take anything on board and are going through the motions.
We'll have to wait til next season to judge properly.
I'm not going to say too much more on this topic as I'm going round in circles saying similar things but on different threads.
I'll respectfully agree to disagree with anyone's who's disagreeing.
Fingers crossed for tomorrow.'"
I'm sorry but that's absolute nonsense and doesn't even make any sense.
Anyway I honestly hope this time next year you message me telling me I told you so. Fingers crossed
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| The list of high profile players above that are dragging the team down because of Powell’s positive intervention…
Ratch (Powell gave a new contract), Charnley (Not played since April, not been at the club for weeks), T King (Powell gave a new contract), Lineham (plays for Wakefield), D Clark (not what he was, but still a high calibre player, selected without question week on week despite a young, keen understudy), J Clark (Powell gave a new contract) Cooper (Our best prop, starts every week. Nothing more to add), Currie (poor form, his understudy has been on the naughty step for missing a tackle in April, since loaned out), Hughes (re-appointed captain by Powell. Not played in months)
I’m sorry, but the excuses that are being peddled by a few on here are absolute tripe. IF, and it’s a big if, Powell has come in and shook the system and changed the pattern of normality. That would/should have been done in November and December. How, in all seriousness, could it take until the last week of June to work out that Toby King is a bad apple?
These players didn’t win anything, but we’re in the competition and got to the latter stages of competitions. If that is underachieving, then what we have now is completely unacceptable. So what’s changed, we can no longer defend, we can no longer complete sets, we fall away at the back end of games. They are facts, not opinion. So what has changed?
Unorganised, underprepared and unfit.
MUST win tomorrow. They’ve got no pack and little to play for. If we don’t, there should be no more time wasted.
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| Quote: Gazwire "The players are rebelling. They can't finish early and they've been told to improve and they don't like - it's player power. It's not that he can't coach and isn't a good coach; the players have apparently chosen not to take anything on board and are going through the motions.
We'll have to wait til next season to judge properly.
I'm not going to say too much more on this topic as I'm going round in circles saying similar things but on different threads.
I'll respectfully agree to disagree with anyone's who's disagreeing.
Fingers crossed for tomorrow.'"
Waiting for next season? We are 4 points off relegation and have not performed well in more than one game all season. Unless something changes quickly then we are going down and can forget about next season
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