If Toulouse beat Saints..,,

Wakey beat Wire for the 3rd time…

Doesn’t that pretty much confirm we are NOT “in a good place” ?

Our whole season now is balanced on the Wakey game, we win, we are on, we lose, we are gone.

A defeat to Wakey and time is up?
Can we afford any more time to buy into the DP ethics?

DP had a very different sound to him in the sky post match interview…
He spoke fast, and words sounded rehed and defiant of his system.
To me it sounded like a man in desperation, denial, and out of touch.

To me he sounded like a man who knows his job is safe this season and is just riding the wave. Inside he is fuming and upset but showing us it's not a problem just yet. Maybe after another couple of losses we will see the anger come out. Playing in relegation games he won't be able to hide his true feelings.

Completely agree. He’ll be hear next season with a different set of his players who can buy into his approach. Hence in his head we are in a good place.

Well being in SL in 2023 could possibly only in our own hands for up to the next14 days.
Points difference means 2 defeats could see us rooted at the foot of the league.
Setting sights on beating Toulouse at home, could be our only hope from falling through the trap door for the first time in our history….and the only original pre SL team not too.

I'm trying to think of a similar situation in everyday life.

I've worked in businesses before where's there's been some long termers in a team and a new manager starts. They begin to influence and change aspects of it. Couple of the old timers start to leave, the ones left grumble because they dont like the change "that's now how it used to be done". This feeds into some of the medium termers in a "if he's not happy it must be " kind of way.

Senior management have to hope that this is the end of the old way and the start of the new dawn. I think with so many OOC players for Powell to come in to, they know of a 3-5 year plan. Our board aren't thickos, they are mostly astute businessmen.

Powell could be a dud, that's true, but this change is needed, whether it was Powell or Wane or Bennett, they've inherited a fixer upper, but there's seemingly dry rot that the initial survey didn't pick up!

I should add it might have actually been picked up and Powell may well have a contract that stipulates that if he gets sacked within first X months he gets a big payout, owing to the fact there's a culture and squad overhaul needed

If he gets sacked, he’ll get a big windfall anyway, whatever the the worth of remaining contract is.

If things don't improve between now and the end of the season I reckon we will be in serious danger of it happening, whether we think we "are too good to go down" or not!

I cant get my head around this “let’s see in 12 months” mentality. We’re going to be seeking major investment from sponsors, season ticket holders and corporate partners. Alongside trying to appeal to players to come to the club (aside from throwing money at them). It’s pathetic. If we were going in the right direction, I’d be half tempted to agree but we’re a basket case.

We need to start looking like a club that isn’t in absolute flipping free fall. Who’s going to renew season tickets to watch that? Who is going to chose us over a proper club if the money is equivalent? We’ll be paying over the odds or shopping in the Ooops section.

The whole thing stinks. The youth have been dropped, the whole squad is underperforming and the only senior player to bear the brunt is a bloody winger!!

The scramble to bring in two props, one of them a 35 year old loanee is admission of failure of the pre-seasons recruitment campaign.

From top to bottom, this has gone wrong. The ship is rudderless. If the rumours are true (Carney all but confirmed it last night) that Cooper has been let go, we will have gone from having a powder puff pack with only 2 decent props, the having a powder puff pack without any in the space of Powell’s premiership. If players are disconnected, get them bloody on side and work with them. If they are genuinely bad apples, STOP BEING A COWARD AND DONT PICK THEM WEEK AFTER WEEK! Can’t have it both ways.

Utterly mindless. Devoid of ideas. The only shining light of last night was the Leeming was good, Jesus wept

I know the signs were there in the Salford preseason friendly but who honestly believed this is where we’d be?The whole club from top to bottom has become as Matt Turner said in his Guardian piece toxic.Had high hopes for Powell but a massive fail for me as either his methods aren’t working or the team just don’t want him here.Oh and I’d have Price back in a heartbeat.

I don't think we are "too good to go down" I just don't think we are the worst team in the league - I cannot see Toulouse winning 3 more games than us in the second half of the season.

Yes it may be that Powell is "emperors clothes" or it may be he is fighting a good fight against the culture of mediocracy and petulant players and we need to have faith until they are gone.

We are not winning anything this season anyway even if we abandon Powell and let Currie, King, Cooper and Philbin choose their best mate as coach.

Have you forgotten 3 play off exits at home at the first hurdle 2019, 2020, 2021 - beaten by colossal teams such as Cas, Hull and Hull KR? Or it that what passes as success?

I think the idea is we are going through this pain now so we can be real contenders in the future. I don't believe Powell is a bad coach, but I do believe we have culture problems and players that think they are better than they are. Players that perhaps had got comfortable running their side businesses with playing pro rugby an after thought.

They don’t have to ‘win 3 more games that’s us’..
They don’t even have to win one or draw one more than us, they could relegate us on points difference alone.

Spot on

I tried to say this but took 4 paragraphs and still didn't manage it!!

Eh? They could have a better points difference than everyone in the league by winning four games 120 nil and then losing all the others by one point. They'd still be relegated if they had fewer points than everyone else.