This, the second row (not Currie who has been very good) need to get the ball out wide more and also punch more gaps. We need more size via another body up the middle. They also need to be running better lines rather than straight up rugby.

The King criticism is warranted. Up until the Salford away fixture he was golden, looked dangerous with the ball, worked hard defending from marker (still his best attribute for me) and was excellent on kick chase. Most of that has subsided since then.

The trys drying up is not all down to him though. Realistically, when someone is that good in the air, you should never score none! Good teams will kick the ball 30+ times a game, you could expect that 10+ of them will be in good field position, if I was a halfback I would time and again kick for him to challenge (and if he didn’t, I’d give him the most regal of public ear bashing’s!) Briers did it with Fa’afili, Hicks, Monaghan, King. That spanned form 2008 to the 2013 grand final. It works, and if it works, DO IT AGAIN!

I can’t for the life of my understand why a half back would decide against doing that, unless they were firmly instructed to put the ball in the in goal for a repeat set. The issue with that it, we’re rubbish at it (Williams aside, he was actually quite efficient). Austin put it in the stands 7 out of 10 and Widdop has a knack of finding the midriff of a defender.

This is not a Price bashing, although I believe his stance to be to find the in goal and build pressure. But if you’re having the ball in the right areas and can’t break a defence down, the pressure ultimately turns on yourself as the opposition gain confidence that we have thrown the kitchen sink at them and still not scored. A half back should have a) picked this up with the coach already, and had a frank conversation that the plan needs to change b) break rank and make something happen when plan A isn’t working. To stick to a failing plan is not commendable, it’s insanity. Halfback are paid for brains, not for doing what they’re told. The best know when to stay in the grind and when to play, it’s built in them, that’s why they are the best*. To harness that is criminal, especially when you’re paying them a small fortune each (all three).

*before any smart comments come in, Austin, Widdop and Williams at the point of signature, we’re/are three of the best halves in the competition. I understand that they have not performed, that is the point I’m making.

CW8 "we haven't troubled the top 2".

We beat Saints away , we beat Catalans twice & Wigan twice. It is the so called lesser tams we struggled against.

I mean in league standings, what you outline is the reason for us not troubling them.

Neither of which matter in one sense.

It's our failure to be able to win a play off game in the past three years that matters or a cup semi final in the past two, irrespective of opposition. Given the league structure and the short run needed in the cup to win either trophy, we need to win enough games to get into the play offs in the league and develop an ability to win knock out games. That's all.

I think it all matters, we can't amble through the season and then turn on the style just for knockout matches, we haven't nurtured that ability within the team.

We need to play a better brand of rugby as a team and hone that through the season. The results don't matter so much as you rightly point out but our ability to combine as a team does matter and we don't have that ability as we haven't been practicing it really. We have been solid and opportunistic IMO. Nowhere near enough complete team performances although there were a few this season.

Yes I agree despite what I posted.

You [iare[/i one of the’so-called lesser teams. Look below the glitter that Moran has so generously rolled your turd in and you’ll find that, despite all the chest beating and posturing, you’re still just Warrington.

He's been away for a while and THAT'S the best username he can come up with? Monikers getting as pitiful as his existence.

No matter how much turd the troll rolls in he's still just a troll in a saints shirt covered in turd.

I'm sure it's a very fulfilling life though for someone spawned from that gene pool.

You're back from beyond the Mucky Mountains ,more incarnations than Doctor Who.

Is St Helens twinned with Gallifrey, as you've had more regenerations than Dr Who.
Apologies, Ninearches beat me to it.

What on earth have you found to complain about on this thread? Just posters exchanging their views.

Gene pool, in St Helens?
Have you seen a typical St Helens family tree?
They're very narrow.