Not as far as the Mata’utia/Mamo swap is concerned.
Mata’utia is a decent centre, but he has some shocking games. He offers very little in attack - not much pace, can’t feed the winger and usually cuts inside even when there is space out wide.
Holmes is different - when he”s on the field he’s a very good player - hits hard in defence and runs good lines with good footwork in attack. If (and it’s a big IF) he stays fit, he’d get in any team in SL.

Did you see Mamo tonight? He's been a great bargain bin.signing for us but he got shown up tonight against an out and out centre. They targeted our right edge all night.

With being big spenders every season comes the high expectations, it's only natural to feel deflated. But it's only 2 years since you last won a trophy.

It will make a massive difference and you will win Super League next year , he will not accept any nonsense from above , has the ability to improve players and your team will play a great brand of Rugby

The executive team of Warrington Wolves need to take a long, hard, look at themselves and question whether the problem stems from the top down. Inexperienced CEO as leader, poor coach recruitment, failing to make hard decisions when they were needed. For 3 years we have bombed out of the playoffs at round 1. By and large our performances have been patchy. Price was hardly going to sack himself from the last head coach job he will ever have. The board tolerate failure and its endemic in the clubs culture. In the time of this dismal reign Saints have won SL with 2 different coaches and could win it again this year.

Assuming no changes at the exec level we can only hope Powell can manage upwards. He'll need to.

You talk too much common sense. Shame on you

The only positive is that we have already moved to sort out the coaching situation and the full clear out has already happened; there won't be any coaching deadwood knocking around the new lot can get to work from today.

It would be daft to think it was just a coaching issue though. All of my worst fears were realised last night: one side playing like they had nothing to lose, with a clear discernible gameplan and a raucous crowd backing them; the other side playing like they had a turtle's head in their drawers with their fans stood scowling. Recipe for disaster and our team wasn't good enough to refocus when we fell behind; instead we just saw players flying in trying to find short cuts and the whole team seemingly losing the ability to even stand up and put a rugby ball on the ground without fumbling it. Ok I will stop, I am getting angry again.

Actually there's a second positive: some old friends on here have finally remembered their log in details.

Decent man by all accounts, but not a top class coach - especially given the resources he has had at his disposal.
I had real concerns when he was first appointed.
The half a dozen really top notch performances in 3 years doesn't hack it.
We had long periods of woeful attack in which the structures didn't seem to be there.
Players must take some responsibility too, but enough have been chosen by Shaun Wane for the England squad to suggest that in the main it's not a player problem,
(But last night you can't blame Price for the 20 odd dropped balls).

They played as if they have the weight of the world on them. You can see it in their eyes.

I got slaughtered on here a year ago for saying that Karl doesn’t care and he’s only interested in the commercial/business side and not what happens on the pitch. A ruthless and strong CEO would have fired Price after we whimpered out of the play offs in 2019 having lost 7/9 games I think in the league. You only have to spend 5 minutes in the blokes company to recognise that. He was carrying water for us 5 years ago. Crowds poor, results abysmal, wasting money on crap players. How is this fraud still in our CEO?

Christ, my heart bleeds for them.

I am as gutted as anyone, I took my daughter’s boyfriend to his first RL game last night…what an advert. However I just don’t get your hatred for KF. Whoever was responsible for that shambles it was not KF.

It's a coaches job to give them a Platform to express themselves, we have been crying out for that for 3 years. KFP has allowed Price to waste the squad for 3 seasons, I half feel sorry for price, without covid and financial struggles we may have paid him off a while back and put both him and the supporters out of their misery.

That said we didn't need to spend extra on a new coach if we had fired him off we could have appointed Anderson or Henderson until the end of the season instead of doing the exact same thing and expecting a different result come the playoffs.

What does it say to the playing squad if they see a coach staying on until his contract expires despite pathetic performance after pathetic performance. We haven't challenged for the LLS or the superleague Crown for 3 seasons and the last 2 challenge cup exits were just as bad.

A higher expectation needs to be set from the top, starting with a proper CEO.

Every cloud has a silver lining. At least its freed up the 9th Oct for decorating/ gardening/ shopping.