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| Quote: Paul Youane "Do people actually think that Fitzpatrick has responsibility for recruitment?'"
Considering it has been reported that he has travelled to Australia to speak to players and agents yes I would think he is somewhat responsible, at least partly.
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| Quote: Paul Youane "Do people actually think that Fitzpatrick has responsibility for recruitment?'"
Who does then??
After the Latu episode, it's hard to make a case for it being the coach's responsibility?
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| You would think CEO does the negotiating and gets the signature but I’d be amazed if he decided WHO to sign.
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| But if it is KP do we give him credit for Mulhearn, Widdop, Ashton...?
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| People are probably sick of me saying this but there is no way that somebody who has coached in the NRL would have gone to the CEO saying we need to sign Burrell.
I can imagine Price saying we need a new centre after Atkins was on the naughty step but never named Burrell.
I think the suggestion of Burrell would have come from the top down based on low risk from a salary cap perspective and decent publicity with the hope of attracting RU interest / sponsorship.
From a purely playing point of view I can't see price buying it.
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| Quote: Captain Hook "You would think CEO does the negotiating and gets the signature but I’d be amazed if he decided WHO to sign.'"
Who does then? Do we think Price knew who Sammy Kibula was before he signed?
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| Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Who does then? Do we think Price knew who Sammy Kibula was before he signed?'"
I’m only guessing but isn’t that what scouts do? Spot a player and make recommendations?
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| I assume both KFP and the head coach are both involved in recruitment ( and probably Board members as well when it comes to big names). But the danger with someone with KFP's rugby background is that they have too much influence in the decision making. There can be conflicts of interest here where the coach is looking solely from the viewpoint of performance, while the CEO is looking at performance but also players that are likely to excite and entertain Joe Public to keep the attendances ticking over. I would imagine the balance will be fine between KFP and our new coach, but I do wonder what has happened with a relatively inexperienced SP.
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| Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Who does then? Do we think Price knew who Sammy Kibula was before he signed?'"
He may have done, he'd been here 2 years at that point, and would have watched academy games.
We took a flyer on him to play in our reserves, and see if we could develop someone on little cost.
Covid buggered that up
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| Quote: Captain Hook "I’m only guessing but isn’t that what scouts do? Spot a player and make recommendations?'"
Scouts will analyse and recommend players but the final decision on whether a player is signed is usually by the CEO.
That’s the model used in football and I’d imagine it’s pretty similar in rugby as Price is a coach at the end of the day.
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| Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Scouts will analyse and recommend players but the final decision on whether a player is signed is usually by the CEO.
That’s the model used in football and I’d imagine it’s pretty similar in rugby as Price is a coach at the end of the day.'"
Gatcliffe and Draper making decisions on signings?
In football majority of clubs have Director's of Football who make those decisions. United are left with Woodward following the vacuum left after Ferguson, even then Moyes made decision on the like of Fellani
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| Quote: Paul Youane "Gatcliffe and Draper making decisions on signings?
In football majority of clubs have Director's of Football who make those decisions. United are left with Woodward following the vacuum left after Ferguson, even then Moyes made decision on the like of Fellani'"
So who does the sign the players at Warrington?
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| I've no idea what the answer is but I'm sure the definitive statement "but the final decision on whether a player is signed is usually by the CEO" isn't going to be right. The CEO will presumably agree with the CFO that the funds are available and maybe even sign the transfer document. However, far more powerful people within the club have more of a say, I'm sure (coach, some of the directors) on the names that end up being signed.
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| Ultimately responsibility has to fall with the CEO.
If KF appoints rubber duckie as Director of Recruitment next year, and the signings turn out to be garbage, he can't hide behind the excuse "well that was duckie's responsibility not mine".
If you delegate responsibility to someone else in the organisation, your judgement call on who that is delegated to is a relevant measure of your own performance.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Ultimately responsibility has to fall with the CEO.
If KF appoints rubber duckie as Director of Recruitment next year, and the signings turn out to be garbage, he can't hide behind the excuse "well that was duckie's responsibility not mine"..'"
We're shagged
Patton's coming back.
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