I can't see us winning this one, then again we very rarely beat saints at home. If we can keep 13 on the pitch we have a chance. We should keep our indiscipline to eye gouging, there is no punishment for that.

I'd say it's a 50:50. We're without Coote, Makinson and Roby. You're missing Widdop and Hill.

I'd say we're a better side, but we're missing an extra player and you're at home so that balances things well.

There's going to be 3,000 from St Helens there, presume the game will be close to selling out which would be good for a Thursday game.

Pretty sure it will not sell out; its on Thursday and available to watch on TV I believe. Perhaps 14k ?

Saints are at peak minus long term injured. They've had to peak for the world club challenge....we rarely if ever beaten a team in it, ahead of the game from memory.

So history tells us a Saints win....if Wire win Thurs...Wire will win every piece of silverware on offer.

What does history tell us about the track record of duckie's predictions?

Pretty good last season.

Sad getting a weak excuse in early.

It's not an excuse, we're perfectly capable of beating Warrington with 6 or 7 missing if we play well. You're also capable of beating us if we were full strength if we don't.

I'm hopeful of a win, but wouldn't be a massive surprise if we didn't.

He's terrible anyway. What's up with him? I hadn't noticed he was out.

I know on the day anything can happen but being realistic I expect us to be 4 points behind saints on the leader board after 2 games. I don't think we will see this saints team put the ball on the floor like they did at Wembley. We played well that day but that was a one off for saints. If Ashton plays full back I can see Saints putting him under far more pressure than Wigan did. The encouraging things from last week were we looked like we enjoyed defending (as much as you can enjoy defending) evidenced by a few short drop outs, they were far from percentage plays. We have realised that we need to back up every time clark and Walker look like they are about jump out of DH and we were offloading like the first few games of last season. If we do lose then i hope that doesn't knock the confidence as it wouldn't take much to end up like we were in the last few months of last season.

To bet the other way, he's like an inverse Nostradamus.

Where did you finish in the tipping comp?