Wigan
Saints
Leeds
Hull
Wire

Can see a bad start with 2 defeats in first 2 games...then should pick up a bit..saints for challenge cup and Wigan for end of season comp

Are we all assuming we finish above Salford?

Can’t speak for anyone else but Salford to finish 5th

Saints
Wigan
Wire
Hull FC
Castleford
Leeds
Salford
Catalans
Toronto
Wakefield
Hull KR
Huddersfield

If we compare the two squads 2019 vs 2020 we should finish as high as we did last year, our big failing this off season (so far) is the lack of a new prop, but that prop was absent last year too. All we have lost prop wise from 2019 is Tasi and a bit part Westood, we have lost depth rather than quality. The half back situation is obviously a positive on 2019. The key for us will be keeping Clark, Widdop & Austin fit and returning to a style of play & form from H1 last year - There's lots of doom & gloom around, but I am expecting a top 4 finish.

I think overall we are weaker in the centre, Gelling and/or Burrell need to impress me more than my expectations for us to be better in this department than 2019.

Of the other contenders:

Saints: Will be favourites with little squad change, the only variable is the new coach
Wigan: Will be better than 2019 I think with Hastings & Burgess. Top 3 comfortably
Leeds: Who knows? They have recruited well, but losing Merrin still looks a possibility. They have better halves going in to 2020 and their back row looks good but props still an issue. Could be top four, could equally be bottom four.
Hull FC: Have added some good strike with Fonua & Jones. Halves can be a bit hit and miss, so much rests on the season of Sneyd, Connor & Albert. Wouldn't surprise me to see Connor leave mid season causing unrest. Chasing Top 4
Salford: Big ask for them to back up 2019 with Hastings, Jones & others. They have a good coach, but I think they may well drop down to 5th/6th
Castleford: A lot rests on the shoulders of Trueman and Richardson will need to step up I'm expecting mid table
Catalan: Maloney is a great signing, but they have a long way to go to prove they can be consistent enough for a top four spot.
Toronto: Like Leeds, no idea, the travelling may be a problem for them and its a big step up in intensity for SL, so i'm expecting they'll go better in 2021. Lower mid table
Huddersfield, Wakey and KR should all be concerned about the drop.

St Helens
Wigan
Hull FC
Castleford
Warrington
Catalan
Salford
Leeds
Wakefield
Toronto
Huddersfield
Hull KR

Our near neighbours to fight it out next year imo. Hull FC will have a good year I think,we'll disappoint though even if we do fill the prop vacancy. Too many ordinary players in our squad to compete over the full season for me. Hull KR's massive turnover could be their downfall. Neck and neck with them and Huddersfield for the drop but Toronto might not be as competitive as a lot believe.

We haven't addressed the problem of having a lack of firepower in the forwards so its hard to see how we are going to improve in that regard.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results (Albert Einstein)

Unless our ability to break down a defence close to the line radically improves then unfortunately I can't see us finishing higher up the table than we did last year.

Saints, Wigan, Us...

Huddersfield & Hull KR to battle it out for bottom spot.

Top plus win CC and GF....and WCC

I guess one year you might be right

Top two with Saints.

Salford looking at potential relegation.

Thats the spirit

I can't give you an argument.

I feel my blind optimism surging back. It feels a bit like my wife's description of childbirth, "if I properly remembered how painful it was I would never have had the second!"
If I properly remembered how poor last season was I would be predicting us struggling to make the top 5...and yet...