Why “should” we be winning more of them?

We’ve not had the best team in the league since 2011 and 2012. Since then we’ve got to finals but lost to teams who either had better packs or more creativity (or both) than us.

I know you can go above and beyond and sometimes the best team doesn’t win. But it’s not that often.

Because we have all the financial resources of a top club, marquee signings, wealthy generous benefactors, some world class players and a large and passionate support base. I see no reason why a smaller town like St Helens should have a rugby team that is light years ahead of ours.

Why should we not be winning the big prizes? Something is wrong.

Was this a mistake? Should read 'Harvey Livett alone [idid not[/i look sluggish and uninterested'?

One of Livett's best games. Someone needs to work with him on ball retention after the tackle but he did very well yesterday, made the sort of breaks from second row that used to be Ben Currie's trademark.

You are either blind or watched with no interest yourself ... you are your own with that comment about Livett... 'sluggish and uninterested' he broke the line more times than Currie has done all season and looked as though he was proving to a point to me. You need to watch the game again.

Decision making at vital times is one of our weaknesses.

Kicking 2 with a minute on the clock when we’re rolling through them was the worst decision we’ve made in a long time. We had made a break, they were scrambling and we had already shown on both flanks that we could beat them.

How many times have good clubs done it to us in the past, looking back to the Bradford glory days, we’d be in it until 37 minutes, then they’d get a roll on and score on the hooter. Tails up for the second half and get in front.

We had a great chance and folded our hand

This. We need that arrogance that we ARE going to win, no matter what.


We also have a problem turning bright spark young players into proper quality Super League players.

This is the bottom line for me.... years and years and years of being able to go toe to toe with anyone off the field..... yet we constantly get things wrong.

coaches, signings, player development, back room staff (probably)... we are probably going to win nothing again.. the club looks like its needs another rebuild.

It may be a profitable well run club... But someone is getting it wrong all over the place when it comes to the things that matter.

Said it before ,winners play the ref ,we don't.

Go on then, i'll ask, who in the academy or juniors players of the first team squad are you related to?

I agree with folks that Livett did break the line, he did make a mistake by losing the ball each time, but in other parts of the game he was sluggish and did have a look of why have I got the ball.

Just so you are aware I have been shouting that he should be given another shot at this he is one for the future, I will also add (from the horses mouth) that he will move unless he gets game time.

Has our decline across all facets anything to do with losing Andy Gatcliff?

That same old line is used often on here when members have an opinion on the youngsters. No relations in the P&B.

not at all, i've been on here long enough to see every few years someone come on and complain about the way the academy is run or lack of chances. You recognise the patterns.

We had someone on here in 2013 complaining about gaz o'brien being misused, have a guess what name was in their email address?

dara?

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