In the regular season things are never as good as you think when you’re in winning form (see our 2011 season, Saints last year or maybe this year), and are never as bad as you think when you’re in losing form.

Also never make your opinions based on small runs of games and especially not from individual games. They can be anomalies or inconsistencies.

Price has been here just 18 months and has made some good and some bad signings. He’s still working with a lot of players from Smith’s tenure who I didn’t think were performing in that last season with Smith or I would get rid of (maybe he will).

Ratchford Hughes Clark King Philbin and Lineham are all better players under Price than they were under Smith. Hill and Currie have gone the other way but that’s more to do with age and injury. And he’s brought in Charnley Austin Burrell and Widdop who long term could be great signings. While there have been some naff ones too.

We had a leaky defence in 2017 and he sorted that out. When we’re on it we have a mean defence.

He isn’t particularly giving youth players much of a chance, but are they even good enough? He’s let Livett go out on loan, but he was quite poor for us at times last season. We play a fairly boring style of rugby, but it got us to two finals in a season where I think we overachieved last year (I thought we were a 3rd/4th league placed, semi final level team yet we finished 2nd and got to both finals).

It’d be the end of next season before I start to say Price needs replacing, not if we win nowt this season!

We aren’t the best team in the country, we don’t have the best pack, the best back line, or the most creativity so why do people think we should be winning things? Saints had a better side than us last season and beat us to the LLS, Catalans had a better pack than us in the CC final last season and beat us, Wigan had more creativity across the pitch in last year’s GF and beat us.

For me it’s the same this year. Saints are better than us and are leading the way for the LLS, we pay Hull in the CC semi soon and they have a better back line than we do and more creativity, we may play them or Catalans come the Play-offs and Catalans have a better pack than we do. If we lose to these teams in the league, Cup and Play-offs this season then so be it. We aren’t a particularly good side despite having some good players.

I think we are performing overall about at the level we are. We are about a 2nd/3rd placed league team and a semi/final team. We’re on course for those things this season. We are going to be inconsistent with some of the players we have or injuries and lack of depth we have or lack of quality youth.

We can turn it on at times. Until we went down to 12 men in both games against St Helens, we were easily a match for them. But then we can have these terrible performances too. But it’s about turning it on in just four or five games all year in reality: CC semi, CC final, Play-off R1, Play-off semi, Grand Final. Anything before that is just doing enough to get into those games.

I think Price is doing a decent job. There is plenty of room for improvement. But let’s see where we are come the Winter eh?!

Sometimes there’s no replacement for individual talent.

Since Livett went to HKR, under Smith he has looked like what he is - a skilful, ball playing forward always likely to make a break or provide a defence splitting pass - it's one of the reasons I feel he should be starting in the halves.

This, of course, is under Smith's tutorage.

Under Price, Livett was often used as a one up plough down the middle forward expected to do donkey word rather than play to his strengths.

Frankly, I don't care if Livett has a bit of attitude. So did Roberts and he got picked every week regardless.

We won't improve our style or drag ourselves out of the glue with the likes of Tasi and ten minute masalla. We need players of skill. Get on the phone Steve

Perfectly put. Not happy with our 'style' at all. Which to be fair was already happening under Smith. We have not been threatening in the opponents twenty for about 5 seasons now.

This is a very poor second year after there was an improvement in his first year.

Let us not forget that we were very poor when he took over. I put most of the blame on the players their attitudes and focus on winning is poor nowhere near what it should be of a title winning side.

We have not one leader whose presence in the team instils a detmination to perform as they expect and accept nothing less from their team mates. We've a participation is success attitude towards finals which is small club mentality.

Our performances this year at times have been the same or worse than smiths final year which again for me reaffirms it being a player problem more than a coach.

Theres a large group of players that are not good enough and a bunch of good players whose performances have not been good enough in the ganes that count.

I still think with our near strongest team out.... it's the strongest team in SL.
Fortunately we have until late August to get it together.
There's enough to beat Hull comfortably already.

The problem I have with Price at the moment as I can't see what type of team he is building.
Other teams have a signature, we all know under Wane wigan were very aggressive and in defence and ran block for block moves. A couple of years ago Hull had a huge team similar to the Bradford team that Radford played in with Sneyd taking the role of Deacon kicking the team around the pitch.
At the start of the season our forwards were offloading for fun but we appear to have given up with that so we are not an offloading team. We don't have a particularly aggressive defence.
We have probably the best hooker in the world at jumping out of DH (possibly Cook for Rabbitohs and NSW) but we have dropped the one player in the team that is almost guaranteed to play the ball with defenders on the floor - Atkins. When BMM skittles players he then takes an eternity to play the ball and is often on an edge - surely BMM ould be better doing that in the middle to exploit the way he bends the line for Clark to run off.
We have still not learnt that whenever there is a PTB that is reasonably quick that the fullback needs to push through with Clark.
We don't appear to have looked at the strengths of the players and adapted our game to maximise their abilities.

Maybe I just can't see it and if anybody can come on here and tell me what type of team we are or where we are heading then I will happily admit I am wrong.

This is brilliant mate, i forgot how much we did offload earlier in the season until you said it. We've definately gone backwards since the beginning of the season. We look tired and look like we've loaned our skill out to another team Speaking of loans how Harvey Livett is behind currie and hughes is frightening. That game against Leeds he was immense, attacking the line, going all out in defense, supporting players giving them options etc He should be first pick for us as he would dramatically up our skill level and energy levels. Don't get why price won't pick him unless he thinks Currie and Hughes cost too much to drop?

I'm with you, this year has completely baffled me.

Really agree with this- nail on the head.

you have pretty much nailed it. It's very hard to see what he is trying to achieve.

While we have to remember he inherited a complete mess from Smith, he has signed plenty of players and he has styled this group now.

What really confuses me is the forwards.... Apart from Hill and Cooper, we have no one that measures up... They are either plodders or 'impact' players, that dont do enough work and seem to have very little impact... The pack is weak and devoid of go forward.

Hughes
BMM
Tasi
J.Clark
Aka
Davis
Currie (although this may be a harsh inclusion, until we see him back to the player he was, he is a passenger)

If the club suddenly announced the departure of any of the above, would you really be bothered?

i would go one step further and say were possibly on the verge of needing another re-build. if we did replace Price at the end of the season, how would another coach view these current players? I believe there are 3 category's of player

Category 1 - Solid players another coach would like to have

Ratchford
Lineham
Charnley
Austin
Hill
Cooper
Clark
Philbin
King

Category 2 - OK players, not pulling up trees and probably easily replaced

J.Clark
BMM
Currie
Hughes
Mamo
Davis

Category 3 - Not good enough, need replacing or leaving

Patton
Tasi
Aka
Brown
Goodwin (leaving)
Weswtwood (probably leaving)
Atkins (leaving)

I suppose you could argue for a few players changing category's.....Not great really is it.

The more i see this team this season, the more i think has Price just rejuvenated us last season? and now thats starting to wear off. We haven't had any fluidity all year, were stop start. Have we been brilliant at all this season? For me, Hull away? Were lucky the league is as poor as it is. With Hull, Saints and probably Wigan at the moment playing better. I cannot see us getting to any finals this season. Probably best, as other posters mentions it just papers over the cracks.

We lack a decent SH, and decent centre and poophouse prop for me.....hope im wrong about Price, but he did get the push from his only NRL gig....its like we have no identity.

King CAT 2 for me. Not doing it at centre. Amazing Charnley has the tries he has with next to no service from his centre.....