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Quote: ninearches "Apart from the hard core fans who turn up week in week out because they have wasted money on season tickets, the walk up supporters should be a guide to how well the club is seen to be doing. They are the eyes on the product being served up on the pitch & if they don't like what they see they will stay away. Just like M&S losing customers to shops whose clothing appeals to more women. If you don't like what is on sale change your supplier.'"


And the first thing the CEO did to save the struggling clothes business was immediately re-structure the management below him.

But that CEO hadn't just been promoted from working directly beneath the managers he now needed to replace.

It's an awkward scenario that we shouldn't be in - it's all too closely knit.

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Have we found ourselves with an unthought out consequence of the game turning professional ? Pre superleague ,players had jobs that they were still doing when their playing days were over & could easily carry on being employed. Is there now an obligation to find jobs within clubs because they can't all become sports scientists & are we finding that there are now too many old boy networks in clubs. Not all ex players can fit into the general employment population. So do clubs carry on with this system or ,in our case,is a hatchet man director of rugby needed to root out whatever is sapping the energy from the club? Is the cost of our back room hitting our power to spend on players ?

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Seen a few comments now that mention the happy clapper facebook clan, is this were they got their 95% are still behind us quote from?. If that's the case why are people on here not posting their frustrations on that page aswell.

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Quote: Jimathay "Yes, the OP was a question, but the responses to that question from those that feel there is a responsibility from the fans haven't really given any solid reasoning. The answers so far have been about about fan apathy/being content/stripey Nigels/glory hunters etc, and seem to be more about having a pop at sections of our fanbase, rather than actually answering the OP. The answers so far have not actually addressed the question of "how are we responsible"?

So I was merely asking a clear and concise question to those, in the hope of seeing some actual reasoning as to why they think the fans have a level of responsibility for our current woes, rather than having more pointless answers along the lines of "I've supported the wire since 1875, one year before they were even formed, when I used to sneak into the games after digging the Manchester ship canal, and the problem with our fans today is that ruddy drummer"'"


Thanks for clarifying.

The board and owner are only custodians of the club. Many fans like me have seen numerous board members and owners come and go over time. The club is an embodiment of the passion of the fanbase and community. The entire raison d'etre of the club is to entertain and represent the aims, expectations and ambitions of the fanbase. The fanbase is the heart and soul of the club.
If the club is not delivering to it's purpose the fan base have a responsibility to voice displeasure, in my view.

In the past we had fans (myself included) that would hold sit ins or congregate outside the main entrance after the match who were vocal in their expression of dissatisfaction of the current plight. I've seen a few in my time and they do seem to precipitate a change. The Cullen/Castleford sit in 2008 and the Anderson/London evening in 2002 in recent memory.

But I don't see any of that now. There just seems to be 3 camps. 1) Those who clap and cheer come what may AKA "stripeys" 2) Those silently trudging off with an air of frustration and defeatism, and of course, 3) The invisible lot who have simply stopped going (until things change or forever)

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Quote: karetaker "Seen a few comments now that mention the happy clapper facebook clan, is this were they got their 95% are still behind us quote from?. If that's the case why are people on here not posting their frustrations on that page aswell.'"


They do but then get roundly set upon with comments such as "you are not a true fan, go and support someone else". Then of course the club delete them from their page.

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Quote: Wires71 "Thanks for clarifying.

The board and owner are only custodians of the club. Many fans like me have seen numerous board members and owners come and go over time. The club is an embodiment of the passion of the fanbase and community. The entire raison d'etre of the club is to entertain and represent the aims, expectations and ambitions of the fanbase. The fanbase is the heart and soul of the club.
If the club is not delivering to it's purpose the fan base have a responsibility to voice displeasure, in my view.

In the past we had fans (myself included) that would hold sit ins or congregate outside the main entrance after the match who were vocal in their expression of dissatisfaction of the current plight. I've seen a few in my time and they do seem to precipitate a change. The Cullen/Castleford sit in 2008 and the Anderson/London evening in 2002 in recent memory.

But I don't see any of that now. There just seems to be 3 camps. 1) Those who clap and cheer come what may AKA "stripeys" 2) Those silently trudging off with an air of frustration and defeatism, and of course, 3) The invisible lot who have simply stopped going (until things change or forever)'"


What you say is spot on and i enjoy your posts. But what do you suggest we do, these sit ins and congregations round main entrance dont happen without a leader or a group if friends doing this and then others see it and join in. Back in the day i think we had a more adult following these days its full of kids who spend more time looking at their facebook page tham actually watching the game.

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Quote: karetaker "Seen a few comments now that mention the happy clapper facebook clan, is this were they got their 95% are still behind us quote from?. If that's the case why are people on here not posting their frustrations on that page aswell.'"



That on facebook, makes you think china and north Korea are right over their internet policy. It shouldn't be for everyone.

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Quote: karetaker "What you say is spot on and i enjoy your posts. But what do you suggest we do, these sit ins and congregations round main entrance dont happen without a leader or a group if friends doing this and then others see it and join in. Back in the day i think we had a more adult following these days its full of kids who spend more time looking at their facebook page tham actually watching the game.'"



Well you're right there, the drummers are a bunch of mouthy kids, who seem to slink off early now, generally(in the south anyway) at full time you're left with the family element, who are desperate to get a high five off ash or Julian's headguard. The rest in the stand are politely applauding.

I've not seen one person throw their season ticket on the pitch at a player so far this year.

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We've had so many years of mediocrity prior to the boom, maybe we are just reverting to what we know best and accepting being crap.

There's more apathy in the stands than on the pitch, possibly even more apathy than a Tony Smith motivational-speaking conference... it's a horrible atmosphere and without radical (perhaps even Divine) intervention we are going to slump right down into the lower leagues.

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Quote: easyWire "We've had so many years of mediocrity prior to the boom, maybe we are just reverting to what we know best and accepting being crap.

There's more apathy in the stands than on the pitch, possibly even more apathy than a Tony Smith motivational-speaking conference... it's a horrible atmosphere and without radical (perhaps even Divine) intervention we are going to slump right down into the lower leagues.'"


But back in the day when were crap is a lot different than now, the stadium the training facilities, infact everything about the club is so much better than back then, that what we a dishing up now is just unaceptable.

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Quote: karetaker "What you say is spot on and i enjoy your posts. But what do you suggest we do, these sit ins and congregations round main entrance dont happen without a leader or a group if friends doing this and then others see it and join in. Back in the day i think we had a more adult following these days its full of kids who spend more time looking at their facebook page tham actually watching the game.'"


OK that's a fair point. Who would join me if I were to sit down in the south after the Leigh game?

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Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "That poop on facebook, makes you think china and north Korea are right over their internet policy. It shouldn't be for everyone.'"


Lol! Yep I think they might be on to something.

Whatever you do, when on Facebook....don't mention the shape of the planet, the dinosaurs, evolution or our average error count.

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Quote: easyWire "And the first thing the CEO did to save the struggling clothes business was immediately re-structure the management below him.

But that CEO hadn't just been promoted from working directly beneath the managers he now needed to replace.

It's an awkward scenario that we shouldn't be in - it's all too closely knit.'"


It is peculiar to appoint a CEO with experience in a national body, only then to appoint someone from the dressing room.

With no offence to the incumbent (I really mean it), he doesn't have the working knowledge and little black book of contacts we so really needed when we brought in Roger.

Makes me wonder if he massively dropped his salary expectations, and what we were offering isn't of any interest to a hard hitter we may or may not need/deserve.

More questions than answers!

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When were were cr☆p we had good reason for it....we were in heavy debt.
There is no excuse for mediocre performances now.
Even when we're were broke, the team were trying. We loved them for it. We were not broken in defeat....except for cc draw defeats of course.

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Quote: Wires71 "OK that's a fair point. Who would join me if I were to sit down in the south after the Leigh game?'"


I would if i had not already stopped going lol.

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