The blame lies with anybody who is in a position to do something about what has been happening, the person with the most influence is obviously the person in charge of preparing the team for weekdays, if that's Agar then Smith should have stopped his methods ages ago, he is after all the head coach.

If then players are as unhappy as we are with the attacking structures and that is what is being coached then they should really be able to work together to find their own way, it can't go any worse! Even if it was mutiny against coaching our injury record would have meant that its not as though anyone could have been dropped, so they should shoulder some of the blame as they could have done something about it, it's far more difficult for them though without the risk of splitting the camp. A good example of this going well was when the Hull players shut Radford out of the changing room last year and then the subsequent response.

That said the lack of support play in attack and line speed in defence has been appalling and is basic stuff, if our players need to be coached that then they shouldn't really call themselves professionals. A lot of our problems seem to stem from lack of effort off the ball, if our coaches are calling them to play like that then they should have been sacked ages ago. For me though, it's still really up to coaches to get the best out of players in terms of performance levels, that's not been happening so the coaching staff have totally failed.

I feel most let down by Smith and Agar, I feel let down by the board for allowing it to go on without changing anything (they could have done something by now) and I feel let down by the players. I put the blame in that order.

Spot on, MDC. When I watched the televised game on Friday, it struck me how obvious it is that Castleford's players absolutely love their job. To a man, they were playing with a beaming smile on their face.

In contrast, we look utterly deflated. And that has been happening, in spells, since Morley left. Heads go down way too quickly; too often 13 men are stood beneath the posts in deathly silence. What's worse is that scoring first, early on, often tends to be the kiss of death.

But the real issue is that all this is glaringly obvious to anyone watching. Yet what are the repercussions? A player like Asotasi can steal a living for two years and never be at risk of being dropped. After those two years you can have one good game as you retire and that is enough in the eyes of the club management and many supporters to earn you "legend" status. The culture stinks, from top to bottom.

The players have had their fill of TS and RA its plain to see. If the Board had made the change at Easter or indeed after Newcastle we would probably be looking at a very different end to the season. The responsibility has shifted to the Board and they have performed poorly, changing TS and RA should only be the start for SM, the Board he entrusts have seriously let him, the fans and the club down!

A new broom is required once the season ends, but for now remove TS and RA to pep up the players going into the middle 8's!

Poor management throughout the club to let it get into this state ,men in expensive suits & flat cap ideas trying to run a business. No wonder Draper jumped on his bike.

Maybe it all makes sense Draper leaving. Did he walk before he was pushed as he wasn't prepared to sit back and wait for club to wallow in its own muck.

On other hand, it is known he was happy to spend the clubs money, and all we got out of it was a new badge.

IMO things have been allowed to drift and go stale at Wire. Failure in the GF last year was the signal to bring in a new man and some fresh ideas to take over from Smith and Agar. Smith's been around too long.

Draper probably left as he could see that Smith has too tight a grip on the club and therefore would struggle to get too many ideas through?

And fan engagement.
Membership
Surveys
Updated website
Social Media offering

What is odd is that 2 years ago the club appointed Draper because we needed a world class sports administrator who had contacts through the world of sport and politics, together with expertise and experience to handle budgets upwards of 8 figures. To re-model our offering and engage with the support base to build a world brand. Whereas now we need a novice lower/middle level manager.

Something definitely wrong at the Wire .

Memberships are season tickets by any other name. Surveys have gone with the wind.
The website is better, but my dog colouring in the floor with a crayon would have been an improvement. As for social media & we wouldn't be privy to an increased improvement in cost per click, can only judge in engagement, and you can hashtag whatever you want, if we're losing, it's going to be negative responses. Only thing that get positive responses seem to be picking the bands.

I am only pointing out what he would cite as the achievements. Previous to Draper the club didn't actively harvest information on it's fan base. I certainly didn't receive targeted emails. I think he improved engagement.

No surprise after he left our "honours" board on the website doesn't go beyond 2015. I mean is it that hard?

My suspicion is that the RFL wanted Draper, but clearly he had no experience within the game of RL. So... give him a job with Wires for a year before bringing him in.

There's a video published today from Schoey where he makes a direct but public message for players at Warrington....
Laying the blame for this demise directly at them. Not taking pride in their shirt. He makes the prospect of the £1m game very real to them.

I'm unable to copy the link. It's not short of what they should hear... If TS and Agar can't tell them... Schoey will.

Fair points (lets be fair you're usually on same side as me). I suppose all those legacies fall away if they're not maintained. Certainly he refreshed things and brought in things we should already had ie databases of useful/beneficial customer details).

www.propersport.tv/tlt/ep-21-17 Here it is...

www.propersport.tv/tlt/ep-21-17 Here it is...