Firstly Luke Gale wasn't on that list.

Secondly You did watch the million pound game last year? Without their points deduction Salford would have been mid table but they weren't and a Warrington cast off saved the club with a drop goal. How did Robert Lui go throughout that season

Thirdly scoring acrobatic tries isn't the be all and end all of being a top class winger. .he was rank average at Leeds playing in a top quality side if he was more than that he'd be a treble winning winger. Instead he just looks like a big fish in a small pond at wakey....

And isn't he a failed full back converted to a winger. ....
We've got one of them.

Look we will always look at "lower teams" players but we must be selective. We've done well with the Nat Woods benny Westwood's of this world etc. .. but then gone on to pick up the Mylers and ratchfords etc.

But on your final point Luke Gale is exactly what this club needs but he would cost am horrendous amount of money and he's unlikely to ever leave Cas. ...

Would have cost next to nowt when he looked ordinary at London and Bradford.

And I think you'll find my question in the very first post was to ask other to list players that were available that we missed out on. I'll name a few more then.

Todd Carney
Ben Barba
Terry Campese
Michael Dobson
Zeb Taia
Morgan Escare
Albert Kelly
Luke Douglass
Greg Bird
Steve Michaels
Mahe Fonua
Michael Minichiello
Marc Sneyd
Rangi Chase
Jesse Sene-Lefao
Sam Moa
Glenn Stewart
Eloi Pelissier
Lama Tasi


All moved around in the last few seasons. Are these names well known enough? or are they also Ordinary?

Penny could be a success if Smith could only put his ego to one side and drop Russell.

aw come on Terry Campese....he made Gary Wheeler look bullet proof. he was a disaster for Hull KR.

Greg Bird is Catalans Marquee player and he always said he would return there when finished in the NRL. your not naming an undiscovered Gem there hes a state of origin and test level player.

Theres loads of Turkeys in that list though Glen Stewart is at Leigh and isnt ripping up trees I'm not sure what your list is trying to prove.

We cant sign everyone ....Tony Smith has tried but we cant. We have also got to Stop throwing £100 grand transfer fees for players of the like of Westerman and Lineham and whatever we paid for Brown...... its just ridiculous and isn't working.
Can you list players who's contracts were up where we could have stepped in and offered them something .... Like Fafita at Wakey who just resigned a new contract?

that I might be interested in

you think we should have signed Rangi Chase...???

At what point have I said 'I think we should have signed these players'

It is purely a list of players who were/are available Over the last few seasons.

I guess the point I'm making is our recruitment is effing pants. I guess my point is Since Briers, Morley, Carvell, Wood, Monaghan(x2) and Higham left, We've not replaced them have we?

We've got great Players in Ratch and Clark but they can't do it on their own. Ratch is arguably the only player who has successfully replaced another player, Hodgeson. Clark needs a second hooker like Monaghan. Clark is world class but would be far more effective off the bench around a tired ruck in the last 20 minutes of each half.

Smith has to be held accountable. Because the point is flying biscuit, all the names mentioned previous were available and on the market. Instead of seeing any of them we saw:

Wheeler
England
Bailey
Blythe
Cox
Asotasi
Brown
Russell

Ratch successfully replaced Hogdson? I'd argue all day long against that one - Ratch is not in the same league as Hodgson. I don't care that Ratchford was in great form at the time and Hodgson hadn't trained all week - still convinced we'd have won that GF with Hodgson instead of Ratch. ANOTHER big game clanger from Smith.

It's not Smith's fault that the standard of player available from that era has slipped but what we have recruited could've been a lot better

I know he's not in the same league as Hodgeson. I never said he was.

What I did say was that out of all the player that have left, Ratch at fullback is the only position we have successfully filled. Lets look at some of the quality that have left:

Hodgeson
Joel Monaghan
Chris Bridge
Chris Riley
Lee Briers
Richie Myler
Chris Hicks
Vinnie Anderson
Louis Anderson
Simon Grix
Matt King
Adrian Morley
Gareth Carvell
Trent Waterhouse
David Solomona
Michael Monaghan


Now lets look at the top quality, succesfull signings.

- Stefan Ratchford
- Chris Hill
- Daryl Clark

And then we have our decent, average signings:

- Ryan Atkins
- Tom Lineham
- Joe Westerman
- Dom Crosby


Now lets look at our flops:

- Roy Asotasi
- Gary Wheelchair
- Jordan Cox
- Ryan Bailey
- Matty Blythe
- Matty Russell
- Kevin Brown

We've lost 16 players, Signed 14 (off the top of my head), 3 of which are quality, 4 of which are average and 7 of which were/are poop.
Smith has to be held accountable when you consider some of the players that were available which is what this thread was supposed to be about.

Our recruitment is cack.

no sandow?

you also need to factor promotion from within, when looking at recruitment.

Knew there was one I'd Miss.

Promoting the youth in our club is a waste of time because if they're not playing like Johnathon Thurston, Sam Burgess or Greg Inglis in their first 2 games everyone calls them poop and wants them out.

There are warrington lads and Warrington Academy players all over the leagues and they most definitely do a better job than half the lads out on the pitch at the moment. There are some terrible ones though an all granted.

TS doesn't trust the kids bar a few. With Tony its very much either your face fits or it doesn't. how else do we explain the same team being picked in week in week out? Is Fat head wayne was in charge it wouldn't matter what your name is, certain players would be dropped like a sack of spuds.

Linham missed half the season and Russell is still there week in, week out! Patton struggles to keep his place but Brown walks in every week. Mogan Smith has achieved more at hooker in the two halves hes played than Dwyer has all season. Its a joke.

My worst mistake ever was recruiting someone who wasn't good enough.
It gave me headaches all the time I was involved with him.
A total energy drain.

Ideally you develop your own talent with occasional outside recruitment.
Overall the clubs' recruitment has shown a lot of desire but they've not got the right players enough of the time and spent a lot of money on some who have not delivered.
Clark and Hill are 2 big positives, but quite a few haven't done it.... Asotasi, Wheeler etc etc

who says all these players were available, Gidley never spoke to any other club as he wanted to play for us, how many of the players on the list were in the same situation. Barba being a prime example we tried everything to sign him including a larger wod of cash than saints but the connection with the new coach and them both sharing an agent meant he was going to saints regardless so we didn't miss out on him he never intended coming. Its such a simple thought to put a list of players who have moved and say look what we missed out on !!

Warrington lads at wire/other clubs and Non Warrington lads but have come through our academy.

Thought the list may not be wall to wall with quality and I'm not saying they'd win more games than this current team by any means. But what I would however argue, is that they would play better as a TEAM.

Jack Johnson
Sam Wilde
Gareth O'Brien
Tyrone McCarthy
Kevin Penny
Harvey Livett
Chris Riley
Joe Mellor
Joe Philbin
Morgan Smith
Mike Cooper
Declan Patton
Ben Currie
Andre Savelio
Danny Walker
Ryan Shaw
Ben Harrison
James Laithwaite
James Mendeika
T. King
G. King
Jono Smith
Ben Moores
Pat Moran
Ryan Jones
Daniel Murray

There are others I'm sure, but that a lot of local lads/academy trained lads right there.

its the Warrington way....we've done it on and off for the 30+ years I have been watching.

Take a chance on somebody...hope for the best.

It should be no surprise to anyone that when we sign quality (Morley, Carvell, Hodgson, Monaghan, M King, C Hicks etc etc) we win stuff....and when we sign hopefuls (England, Blyth, Asotasi, Russell, Brown etc etc) we win nothing and struggle.

This is not rocket science. I knew we were going to struggle this year....it was obvious to anyone who has the most basic of knowledge of the game.