Surely Mr Moran will want a championship for all his financial input over the years at some point? Where do we draw the line and say we need a change and some new ideas? When do we get to a point when things (behind the scenes, in the dressing room) go stale? For me, we are very near to this point. For all the great things Tony has done, surely the end game is the win Super League, which in his 8 year tenure, has yet to be done.

Agree with you on the Knowsley Road games when we were plucky underdogs, just falling short at the last (as we all including the players secretly knew they would). But things are different now.

Out of interest do you think we have been remotely exciting to watch in the Agar period 2015, 2016 ?

We are talking about TS, what does Agar have to do with it?

Not that we use excuses but there should be no reason why we cannot go one better than last year. The squad over the last few years has had players that never really played much part due to injury. Most of these are off the cap now and I know injuries can happen at any time but we have a more robust squad now. There has been enough time to transition from the Monaghan, Morley, Briers etc era.
I would imagine if we don't at least equal last season then there will be some difficult decisions needed.
I like TS and would love to be at the club for a long time. If the results are not there then It will depend if there is a better coach available.

The "Agar" period? Never heard so much midless dross. No other assistant has ever received so much attention.

And for what it's worth, Warrington we're exciting to watch for large periods last year, especially the early parts of the season. I was entertained throughout the season.

I'd be very happy with Powell coming in to replace Smith when he goes.

why the powell love in? yeah they have previously played some good rugby, but there's zero pressure or expectation on him, and the closest they've got to a trophy was a kicking at wembley.

When Smith leaves, PLEASE don't let it be Powell.
As obnoxious as our coach was, before Smith (and that takes some doing). odious twunt.

And in his interview for the Guardian ,Matty Russell acknowledges that there is no Plan B.....surely our esteemed coaches should work on this problem especially if it has held us back for the last umpteen years.

To be fair I wouldnt have been upset at the mention of Geoff Toovey... and he's gone to Bradford...

Hes' in the level below those mentioned above and to be fair he probably was to manly what Cullen was to us... but getting a club to an NRL grand final cant be sniffed at.....

I don't know how long Smith has left i'm guessing two consecutive trophy-less seasons or one season out of the play offs.

He's had some serious money and the pick of most players available...

Why is it mindless to refer to the difference in playing style following the departure of Poching and the replacement with Agar. It's the 2nd highest position in the club on the performance side.

Furthermore why do you have to counter an argument by insulting another forum member by calling their post "mindless"

Anyhow glad you found Warrington exciting, I didn't and neither did many others, and I hope you can understand when I say it is subjective.

If we don't win anything this year and get to another final then it's down to the players losing and not smith. We got to both finals and won the league leaders shield, so clearly smith is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing.

No question mark over big in-game management and Plan B's? That's 4 finals on a bounce we have lost. We looked devoid of ideas against Wigan in 2016 GF.

Plus it is a results business ...(so they say)

To be fair. Ts has brought us upto to where we are consistently challenging in all major competitions. Which is nothing too be sniffed at.
In a age where in any sport. The head coach/manager will be culled when results go their way is embarrassing.
A lot were calling for Tony smiths job after 2015. Look what happened 12 months later.
I like the fact that we as a club stand by the players. (Ben Harrison last year for example) and we stand by the coaches and management. We value them and don't see them as desposible to the fact that if things go wrong. We sack them. We give them time to turn things around and give them that chance.
It's good that ts is in his 8th year with us and he has consistently delivered for us.
3 challenge cups
2 league leaders shield.
4/5 times in a old Trafford final and another challenge cup final last year as well. It's not too be sniffed at. Give me any other coach in superleague who has that in his resume. (Apart from Tony Smith at Leeds) not even Shaun wayne at Wigan can boast it since 2013
Taking football. We are not the Chelsea or man city of rugby where they sack their coaches if they don't produce a title
I'm proud we are a club that takes care of everyone in the club.

We all know that Agar, while he is a coach, doesn't make decisions for how the team play. If we're saying that because of the time frame he has been coaching the club, then let's start pointing fingers at Lee Briers. After all, he is coaching the halves and leading on the tactical kick coaching, which we have been let down with for the previous 2 seasons despite investment in Gidley and Sandow. (I'm not blaming Briers, simply making a point)

Using Agar as a scapegoat is short sighted in my opinion. Players make decisions on the field, to run when they should pass, to kick when they should run and make errors on or over the line, and that is just in the Grand Final alone. It's sport, that's what is so compelling.