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Quote: lefty goldblatt "I really am beginning to believe that Smith is blotting his copybook.
All his reputation gained for his 4 years at Leeds, and his first four seasons here, are being unravelled, quickly.
I don't know who the replacement should be, but, truth of the matter is, Smith is getting staler than a fortnight old Warburton's Toastie.

I think he's taken us as far as he can. We need to move on, and so does Smith, but I fear that the new contract we offered him, after a whirlwind start to a season (always a poor thing to do), will merely bite us on our proverbial Aris''"


This year has proven to be arguably Smiths most successful season here. Never have we made both major finals AND won the LLS in the same season. People can be frustrated but to say Smith is stale is clearly not true. We were in with a shot of winning both finals up until the final plays, not like we were battered. We have no divine right to win. Smith is good enough to get us there, which includes getting through tough sudden death games, we've just been unlucky tonight and were inches away at Wembley. We've won 5 finals if we include holding our cool to take the LLS and unfortunately now lost 4 finals. I'd rather have that than no wins at all.

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Quote: WireWireWire "This year has proven to be arguably Smiths most successful season here. Never have we made both major finals AND won the LLS in the same season. People can be frustrated but to say Smith is stale is clearly not true. We were in with a shot of winning both finals up until the final plays, not like we were battered. We have no divine right to win. Smith is good enough to get us there, which includes getting through tough sudden death games, we've just been unlucky tonight and were inches away at Wembley. We've won 5 finals if we include holding our cool to take the LLS and unfortunately now lost 4 finals. I'd rather have that than no wins at all.'"


We have won 3 finals. The last being 4 years ago. We have lost 4 finals on the bounce. Runners up is no consolation to me.

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It's hard to blame Smith too much tonight. I don't think Wane did anything tactically brilliant or that Wigan were more motivated than you. That's what they do, that's all they've got as a club never mind a team.

The game was a strange one for me. I thoroughly enjoyed it in the end, because it was so tense and far more like an NRL Grand Final than we usually get. The arm wrestle for control of the game that usually blows out after half an hour in a Grand Final last pretty much all game. Wigan's defense was utterly superb, that was what won them the game ultimately. Ben Currie's absence took a huge amount away from Warrington and bringing Sandow back was unnecessary and a mistake.

Your pack is an interesting one. Hill, usually a colossus, didn't have his best game, Clark got a knock around the 50 minute mark and never really got into the game. Ashton Sims? I thought he was dreadful, he offers nothing at all with the ball. Ryan Bailey was another incredibly poor performance, lucky to not have given a couple more penalties late on. He was a pathetic signing for you, not up to the calibre of the rest of the squad, he's been woeful in every game of your's I've seen.

A few mentioned links between Smith and Wenger tonight. When is the right time to get rid of a coach who had brought so much stability and relative success yet remains painfully short of the only thing the fans want, a first title in 60+ years? Imagine you move Smith on and the new coach fails to reach the Grand Final? How stupid would the club look then?

Gidley is an interesting one as well. He clearly wanted it, motivation you say? He'd tackle a 747 and try to play on afterwards that man. But is he any good? I'm not convinced. If I were Tony Smith I'd be handing Dec Patton the 7 shirt for next season, just giving him notice now and going with that, giving him the time to grow. He was superb and shouldn't have been taken off. I'd play Sandow or Gidley with him and not together, the other not playing at all.

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Quote: Saddened! "It's hard to blame Smith too much tonight. I don't think Wane did anything tactically brilliant or that Wigan were more motivated than you. That's what they do, that's all they've got as a club never mind a team.

The game was a strange one for me. I thoroughly enjoyed it in the end, because it was so tense and far more like an NRL Grand Final than we usually get. The arm wrestle for control of the game that usually blows out after half an hour in a Grand Final last pretty much all game. Wigan's defense was utterly superb, that was what won them the game ultimately. Ben Currie's absence took a huge amount away from Warrington and bringing Sandow back was unnecessary and a mistake.

Your pack is an interesting one. Hill, usually a colossus, didn't have his best game, Clark got a knock around the 50 minute mark and never really got into the game. Ashton Sims? I thought he was dreadful, he offers nothing at all with the ball. Ryan Bailey was another incredibly poor performance, lucky to not have given a couple more penalties late on. He was a pathetic signing for you, not up to the calibre of the rest of the squad, he's been woeful in every game of your's I've seen.

A few mentioned links between Smith and Wenger tonight. When is the right time to get rid of a coach who had brought so much stability and relative success yet remains painfully short of the only thing the fans want, a first title in 60+ years? Imagine you move Smith on and the new coach fails to reach the Grand Final? How stupid would the club look then?

Gidley is an interesting one as well. He clearly wanted it, motivation you say? He'd tackle a 747 and try to play on afterwards that man. But is he any good? I'm not convinced. If I were Tony Smith I'd be handing Dec Patton the 7 shirt for next season, just giving him notice now and going with that, giving him the time to grow. He was superb and shouldn't have been taken off. I'd play Sandow or Gidley with him and not together, the other not playing at all.'"


Thank you Mr Rush.

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Quote: Saddened! "It's hard to blame Smith too much tonight. I don't think Wane did anything tactically brilliant or that Wigan were more motivated than you. That's what they do, that's all they've got as a club never mind a team.

The game was a strange one for me. I thoroughly enjoyed it in the end, because it was so tense and far more like an NRL Grand Final than we usually get. The arm wrestle for control of the game that usually blows out after half an hour in a Grand Final last pretty much all game. Wigan's defense was utterly superb, that was what won them the game ultimately. Ben Currie's absence took a huge amount away from Warrington and bringing Sandow back was unnecessary and a mistake.

Your pack is an interesting one. Hill, usually a colossus, didn't have his best game, Clark got a knock around the 50 minute mark and never really got into the game. Ashton Sims? I thought he was dreadful, he offers nothing at all with the ball. Ryan Bailey was another incredibly poor performance, lucky to not have given a couple more penalties late on. He was a pathetic signing for you, not up to the calibre of the rest of the squad, he's been woeful in every game of your's I've seen.

A few mentioned links between Smith and Wenger tonight. When is the right time to get rid of a coach who had brought so much stability and relative success yet remains painfully short of the only thing the fans want, a first title in 60+ years? Imagine you move Smith on and the new coach fails to reach the Grand Final? How stupid would the club look then?

Gidley is an interesting one as well. He clearly wanted it, motivation you say? He'd tackle a 747 and try to play on afterwards that man. But is he any good? I'm not convinced. If I were Tony Smith I'd be handing Dec Patton the 7 shirt for next season, just giving him notice now and going with that, giving him the time to grow. He was superb and shouldn't have been taken off. I'd play Sandow or Gidley with him and not together, the other not playing at all.'"


Can't disagree. As for Gids tackling a 747, I would have settled for him just tackling Farrell.

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Yes Gidley needs to be moved on replaced by patton, free up salary cap for the likes of watkins to replace evans... we instantly becoming an attacking threat down the right.

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Quote: Ron "Yes Gidley needs to be moved on replaced by patton, free up salary cap for the likes of watkins to replace evans... we instantly becoming an attacking threat down the right.'"


Gidley is a Jonah but had he played for Wigan tonight we would have won comfortably.

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Quote: Sweaty Betty's "Gidley is a Jonah but had he played for Wigan tonight we would have won comfortably.'"


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Quote: Wires71 "We have won 3 finals. The last being 4 years ago. We have lost 4 finals on the bounce. Runners up is no consolation to me.'"



We've won two league leaders shields that we could have bottled but didn't. Obviously not seen as important as the other two trophies but they still required us to perform on the day to take away those honours. If you want to be pedantic then we've won 3 finals, and five pieces of silverware in 8 years. A Warrington team of yesteryear could only dream. It's deeply disheartening to lose tonight and I'm as frustrated as anyone but we were there, we competed, and i'd rather that than the much worse positions we could otherwise be in.

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What about us wearing our lucky mainly white strip next season?

Whether you believe it or not, in games where the margin between the teams is narrow, victory somehow seems to go with those playing in mainly white or red.

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I bet Paul Cullen wished he had the slack and goodwill afforded to Smith. He has had one job and failed three times.

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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



As a Leeds fan I'm often attacked on our board for criticising Tony Smith by those who can't see any bad in him but he loses too many big games when they are close.

His one exception was the 2004 GF but after that he's either built a significant lead in his big games and won them or lost the the close ones.

He's now lost 4 GF's as a coach, in 2005 Leeds scored ZERO points in the 2nd half. In 2012 Wire scored 4 points, in 2013 ZERO points, and this year ZERO points in the second half. 4 points in four 2nd halves (160 mins) of GF's is shocking for a coach who is known for attacking play.

Leeds would not have won as much had we kept him IMO and after 2004 he took us backwards until they produced a one night stunner against Saints in 2007 when arguably the knowledge that he was leaving played a factor.

To have 8 seasons at Warrington who have recruited strongly in his time and 4 seasons at Leeds in their Golden Generations prime year and only have 2 GF's in 12 attempts is very poor.

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Quote: ThePrinter "As a Leeds fan I'm often attacked on our board for criticising Tony Smith by those who can't see any bad in him but he loses too many big games when they are close.

His one exception was the 2004 GF but after that he's either built a significant lead in his big games and won them or lost the the close ones.

He's now lost 4 GF's as a coach, in 2005 Leeds scored ZERO points in the 2nd half. In 2012 Wire scored 4 points, in 2013 ZERO points, and this year ZERO points in the second half. 4 points in four 2nd halves (160 mins) of GF's is shocking for a coach who is known for attacking play.

Leeds would not have won as much had we kept him IMO and after 2004 he took us backwards until they produced a one night stunner against Saints in 2007 when arguably the knowledge that he was leaving played a factor.

To have 8 seasons at Warrington who have recruited strongly in his time and 4 seasons at Leeds in their Golden Generations prime year and only have 2 GF's in 12 attempts is very poor.'"


I agree. Smith is now a specialist in failure, as many now say the ne wenger of rugby league. Bottom line is he's not won a title with warrington despite more than ample opportunity, as well as his failures with leeds.

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Feel it's a bit harsh on smith. He should of probably introduced sandow a bit earlier but Patton had a good half.. The big difference was defence, Wigan smashed you time and time again, you are a couple of forwards light, no shame in losing to Wigan on that performance and you played your part in a thrilling game of rugby league

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From a neaturals perspective throughout the entire season you've been more entertaining and obviously more consistent than Wigan.
You play the kind of rugby most like to see.

On the final unlike the previous years, you didn't choke and didn't shame yourselves. You just lost. One team had to. The team with the most experience of winning the grand final won!
A converted try and a point and you are champions.
Nothing in it.

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