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I expect to be xhot down, but I predict that we will not win another trophy under Smith.

He Is too stubborn, even arrogant, to change the way he sets a team up.

For me, he could leave tomorrow and I wouldn't be upset

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Quote: ratticusfinch " His persistence with shoe horning Ratchford in costs us....he was woeful tonight.'"







That is absolutely "Spot On" and i`ve been saying it for months now! He is totally upsetting the balance of the side, by trying to simply "Shoe-Horn" players in to the starting line-up. Top class players are beginning to look ordinary because they are being forced to play out of position. Our weak spots stick out like a sore thumb and teams are exploiting it "week in week out". Its cost us two trophies up to now this season, with a third to come.

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This post may contain some Knee jerk reactions that some readers may find offensive:

While I admit the Winger situation is a complete and utter loving shambles, the lack of prop forwards is simply gross misconduct.

Hill almost played 80 minutes tonight and in the few minutes he didn't play Frank Paul Nuisala ran up field on two massive runs and put Wigan in try scoring positions. ... our bench tonight was a massive concern to me and it let us down

However he can right off for me I've had enough of Tony Smith, Agar and also enough of Lee briers doing keepy uppys on the half way line while the team are doing pre game warm ups......its like having Bobbie Goulding on the coaching staff.

Its saying something when I'm more brassed off with our own set up than the shambles that is the RFL refereeing farce....

I'm truly amazed this team has got to a wembley final, within a point of winning the league leaders shield and is 80 minutes away from a grand final appearance........ its a sham of a team it really is......Chris Hill is the best prop forward in the World by some distance he should be playing for a better team than this..........

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Quote: Mr Snoodle "I expect to be xhot down, but I predict that we will not win another trophy under Smith.

He Is too stubborn, even arrogant, to change the way he sets a team up.

For me, he could leave tomorrow and I wouldn't be upset'"



I wrote that bit in my rant but cut it out to shorten the length of my post...!!

but you are spot on......

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Quote: Wire "Smith earned some grace with his early silverware, but we are now 3x cup final losers, with a few embarrassing semi-finals to boot. We have become known for bottling big leads and not being able to cope when we lose a player. Smith has always had a stubbornness about him when it comes to who he plays, and it is really hurting us this season.

I'm not saying "SMITH OUT!" but I've reached the point where I would welcome a change. This is the most annoyed I've been at a loss since before I can remember.'"


Sounds familiar. Does that make us both bottlers? be an interesting Final if so. Long way to go yet.

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Quote: the flying biscuit "This post may contain some Knee jerk reactions that some readers may find offensive

Totally agree on the forwards. Hill is not only outstanding as an individual but he does this whilst covering for the failure of others. When I see the youngsters Wilde, Philbin and King on the bench, you know we are all out of options for the pack.

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Quote: Cherry_Warrior "Sounds familiar. Does that make us both bottlers? be an interesting Final if so. Long way to go yet.'"


Your coach has won a GF and a CCF for you though in the last 4 years.

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Quote: Cherry_Warrior "Sounds familiar. Does that make us both bottlers? be an interesting Final if so. Long way to go yet.'"


Wigan may have lost finals, but you are the complete opposite to us in terms of game management. We have a knack for blowing leads, whereas you have a knack for coming back from deficits (or coming up with something to get the win in tight games). Not saying you don't have your problems, and I know there are plenty not happy with Wane.

And, as said above: you have won silverware in the last 4 years. One of which includes a piece we still haven't won by beating us from a 16 point deficit.

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To be fair to TS, his observation that "we mismanaged the second half" was spot on IMHO

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I disagree. You cannot mismanage when you don't manage. We didn't have enough ball to do such an error.
We were completely battered for pace on the flanks.

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I think ,in all fairness ,that Wigan by their own standards have not been brilliant for a couple of years , but they & our other nearest & dearest who play in red & white know how to win the games that matter. We are now in a dog fight against Hull to finish top while Wigan have the easy game of Les Cats at home. Fair play to Wigan, it was evident they wanted the win more from the opening try & were making many more yards in possession & was it 3 tries with a 12 man side ? What a joke that was !
I do believe though that there were some strange refereeing decisions both on & off the field, but i am delighted that sky got the result they wanted.

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Quote: MarginMeter "To be fair to TS, his observation that "we mismanaged the second half" was spot on IMHO'"

After consideration I have to agree...
Would Wane allow the Pies to let slip a 14 point lead....?
I think not. There in lies the issue once again. TS is responsible for mismanagement.
Once again he sits there with that smug stubborn grin on his face.

Only 4 points ahead with a penalty award...2 points on offer with the ball back either way...plus the draw is all we need to win the LLS.
What does game management suggest...yes take the loving 2 points on offer.
Who's to blame...TS

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Please lets not blame some ridiculous sky theory. Wigan were better from minute one...lets just hope that's our choke out of the way

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said last season we shave got rid.... actually we should have got rid the season before.

One thing you can absolutely guarantee from Smith Warrington these days... put us in a big game, watch the oppo get a head of steam up and watch us collapse.

Big game bottlers..

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TS was once again out witted by opposition coach and players, which is inexcusable particularly being 14 pts ahead and an extra man. Persisting with Evans on the wing has cost us another big game. Once again the half backs go missing in action and as for Ratchford his positioning at full back for short kick throughs is appalling, he is often in the wrong place and cant get across the line to cover his team mates. TS has three games to prove he is up to the job going forwards, history is history and I applaud his efforts in getting us up the ladder. If we don't get the golden egg this time then he has to go!

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