i dont ever recall seeing you being called out for your pack comments... i think everyone knows we have suffered in the pack.

you have usually been called out over....

* Bridge is the best 6 in the league.. or bridge and ratchford at 6&7
* Wheeler is a great signing, saints will miss him badly
* saying the honeymoon period for clark and sims was up after a few games

oh yea, you did get rightly slated for saying that Hill hadnt been very good this season.. or words to that effect.

i cant think of anymore of the top of my head, but im sure theres a few

Although not exactly what I said in all your paraphrases I don't deny those even if some were from the season prior to this one.
And still I said Sims is lightweight at prop during the honeymoon period as he still is.

But you have completely made up the bit about Hill.
I won't hold it against you.
But the whole pack as a unit was poor and thus includes Hill, but that doesn't make it his fault.

If our pack has been poor this season then God only knows how bad the backs have been.

I seem to recall last season as one were we had field position but would ineffectually bash away at the opponents line from 20m out.

you deffo had a little pop at Hill... i remember reading it and shaking my head in disbelief.

i have neither the time,patience or motivation to try and use the extremely poor search facility on this forum and find it though.

I wont hold it against you though

I half agree on the basis that the games where we were the dominant pack were few and far between, or have we been spoilt this last few years and yes from 20 out with a set of 6 you may as well have nipped to the bar for a refill. So much so that we often kicked out short rather than put ourselves under pressure to score from close in.

In response to Winslade's proposition, whatever the merits of the individuals involved, Higham/Monaghan combo on the pitch together were effective as they had the luxury of running at teams that had spent more time on the back foot compared with Clark and Dwyer IMO

Not me MD pal. Your mistaken or made it up.
Hill is not a poor player
I did say I thought Peacock was better than him this season and a couple others. Perhaps that was what you meant?

Remember when Leeds fans thought we'd let him leave.

He's only had one good season

must have imagined it then haha

No prob MD.

I like Hill, he's done a couple of pack leader knocks this year with 2 greats tries that come to mind.

Perhaps the responsibly of carrying a light pack will put us in good stead for next season.

I'd still say that the shared responsibilies at Saints for example means the likes of Warmsley Masoe and LMS have all looked emmence as a unit and subsequent look better individually.

It may not be the case but that is the illusion that it casts.

Don't think you'll find many saints fans agreeing with you on Masoe who seems to fit into their "what might've been" category.
LMS is a bit of a show pony (imo) who has a VERY bad habit of turning his back!
Walmesley however is a fantastic prop, he and Chris Hill have set the bar extremely high for any prop from the lower divisions who tries to make the step up.

Thanks C H.

It's the depth with Saints that helps too. Kyle Amor is a very decent workhorse prop, Luke Thompson and Andre Savelio are both bigger than your average youth products, which has helped. Mose has won games for Saints and we'll miss him next season. He's a unique player in the world of RL, no one else is as destructive as he can be. Inconsistent, lazy and lacking in motivation? Yes, but unstoppable when he wanted to be.

Just out of interest, what games has he won for Saints? Most people must have missed them.

So I was right about Masoe then? I saw him up close in the Starbucks on the East Lancs once, he blocked out the sun!