Its nowt to do with Wire's position, It's just circumstance. The top and bottom of it is every game doesn't count because effectively the are dead rubbers for another 7 rounds for Hull Cats and Wire. Only Cas have a fair hope if they win v us tomorrow to make a 5 team comp.

If we Wire win, it becomes a 6 team comp but realistically both Wire and Cas have an almost impossible task. They could both be mathematically out of it after 3 game with four remaining.

Saddened is right and the other comments are typical of UK rugby league fans. Moan about anything new.

Anyone who refuses to see the obvious is an idiot. Saddened is not right, he's talking from a team of comfort, with a point of view that you failed in the 23 so you have no right to compete in the split 7! I may also have done the same had Wire been in the top 4 but that spent make it right.

What is the feckin point of having a split if you cannot compete?! You have to make the concept so any team has a chance to make the final 4. This is effectively impossible for all 8 teams.

There is no perfect format, they all have disadvantages.

If you allow the top 8 to play off then someone (leeds) will finish 5/6th and win SL followed by an outcry (quite rightly) that they don't deserve it. If you restrict it to a top 4 play off then there will be dead games for the 4-8th placed teams.

The current situation where the top 3 (probably top 4) are virtually through to the play offs is the RFL's worst nightmare. They were probably hoping for a very tightly packed top 6 - 7 who would need to fight for those last 4 places, but hey ho, they aint got it.

next season could be completely different, next season its possible that you could have 6 points covering 1st to 8th,, or you could have twenty points, its just how the seasons pan out. Just cos this year hasn't fell into a perfectly convenient fashion for the fairweather moaning types, doesn't mean that it's a write off.

So you'd have the top 12 playing home and away and then drawing straws to see who reaches the final then? That's the only way to ensure every team has a chance.

5th-8th aren't cut adrift by the format, they are cut adrift because they don't win sufficient games to threaten the top 4.

You suggest there is no point of a split if you can't compete. If there was no split, there would be even less chance to make up the ground as the top 4 would be facing Wakefield and Salford in those final games.

In a horse racing hcp weights are applied to make the contest even so every horse has a chance if winning.

In a dog hcp, the slowest dog is given yards starts to give every dog a chance to complete.

The RFL have divised a concept that makes it completely impossible by going against every rule of competition, giving the fastest dog the lead! Giving the best horse less weight!

How is it completely impossible? If you finish fourth you can win the title. If we can't finish fourth we don't deserve to win it. Remember the outcry when Leeds won it from fifth? It's amazing how short some people's memories are.

Correct, and so is Saddened. RD is going slowly bananas if he seriously thinks we should introduce a handicap system into pro RL. Wire haven't been good enough this season, so tough for us. Will there be some dead rubbers? Very likely but the old Top Eight system produced lots of them, too. Plenty of matches after the cup final if we're lucky to be there, gives us chance to build the side for 2016.

Put it this way, if Huddersfield win on Sunday, all we have to do is win ourselves against cas and win our super8 game versus Huddersfield and we are suddenly two points behind them. And I can guarantee they will drop more points. We are not as far off as people make out, although this weekend will have a big effect.

It was a suggestion that's all Jesus H Christ

I posted we're in the position we deserve to be, I would say the same thing if we were in Leeds position

If you think 'Every Minute Matters' then so be it, but there will be some cricket scores in the last few games, especially with our squad 'possibly' preserving energy for a 'possible' Wembley trip

Some games will be a carbon copy of last night, and that is no advert for the 'Every Minute Matters' concept, when it quite clearly doesn't

What we have a problem with now is the number of superleague teams ,first past the post would see the season end this week. What has happened is the RFL & sky are padding the season out to give fans 3 or 4 more sl games on their season tickets which must be better value than having to pay for every play off round. With the new format there will only be 2 extra games to pay for ,the semi & the final. Unfortunately,other rival teams have been able cope with the new system better than us & have been able to hit the ground running from day 1 ,just like Leeds. As Saddened has pointed out, it is a difficult competition to play in when so many young players are having to be brought in. Keeping players fit & managing injuries is important & i'm sure with a bit more luck on that front we would have been better placed.

There can be absolutely no complaints about this, we are where we are because haven't played well enough. If we had played better none of us would even be questioning it.

If the Wire were to pull it off and win the big one this year after the season we've had so far, no one could even question it, it would mean a monumental effort from the team and that we've beaten the teams at the top - champion form - and a much bigger feat than winning from 5th in the previous format.

Others have answered the second point, with Catp's being the best in that this is year one and the situation could be totally different next year.

To avoid the dreaded Middle 8s is one answer to the first point.