Darn it ........ something we do seem to have ????..... obviously I meant "do not seem to have"

I don't think he was being condescending. We along with you are among the poorer sides in this league. We'd openly admit that. We don't think we're a top side.

I agree with the Smith and Agar apologists, lets give them 2 years in the championship ,falling gates and Gene Ormsby as club captain and part time circus performer.

You seem to have missed the point which was ....What's agar ever done? So I listed what he's done as a second in command which seems respectable to me. ...

What this wasn't was a thread where I said Warrington wolves are hot and flying high like ing majestic golden eagles soaring above the mountains with such ing beauty it would make grown men ing weep...While at the same time laughing at Hull KR.

I just said you are one of the poorer sides that's all...

wires are in fact at this present time...and you lot aren't much better. ..but over recent seasons ...The last five or so shall we say? we've been good and you haven't ...and if Willie poaching was some super coach he'd be in the nrl or at Wigan or saints.

whatever the misunderstanding it still remains agar is not our problem but recruitment and players not playing in positions they are not at.....
Oh and Roy Asotasi

Well, at least we know he's not to blame for our kicking game... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jlAeVIJfFU

Well, at least we know he's not to blame for our kicking game... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jlAeVIJfFU

Beaten by Hull KR with Willie Poching on their coaching team, I rest my case!

If Agar is our coach when Smith calls it a day then I'm off to Widnes.

The amount of injuries worry me ,it may be bad luck or it may be training and conditioning ,we are certainly not showing any signs of improved fitness

Injuries are a difficult one. No amount of training/fitness work can account for broken bones (Laithwaite, Grix & Ormsby), and Saints using Ben Evans as a giant wishbone is difficult to protect against. Hoping this has just been one of those seasons.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Agar. But then again, he's not on my list of most hated.

BUT.
Isn't it amazing, the last derogatory post was the day before we beat Leyth.
We go on a good run of performances, and not a dickiebird. We lose a CC semi, with players plainly not interested, and a much depleted side v. Leeds, and the haters resurrect the thread. Obviously, he was on sick leave, from late June, to the day after the Cas rout.

Ah well

TS has taken the heat off Agar by becoming more visual over the last 2 months and reverted to the role of speaking to media after the game where pre summer months it was Agar.

Why should the heat be on Agar?
Smith dons a smart suit and becomes a new Tony Blair, and starts doling out media savvy soundbites, and we start looking like a RL team again. Naaaah, I don't buy it.

The scapegoating of Agar, is getting to that of Clarke (Jon)/Wainwright/ Penny (Kevin) proportions

Though it does seem to me that since Agar arrived we have lost our flair. Where is the off loading game a la Leeds? Is Agar coaching the structured approach at the expense of the expansive way we had been playing when we were winning trophies?
Just a thought.

Could it be that our expansive game is being snuffed out by opposing defences & the times when we do get the ball out it is going to ground ,into touch or not going to the correct player to make the break ?

Also, don't forget the number of times the ref has robbed us this year.

I think what we do need though,if we have the manpower,is a more aggressive defence like all the successful teams have even if we have to bend the rules like they do. An aggressive defence is a must in order to get the ball back quickly & get back on the attack. Maybe we will front up against Wigan again.