A puppet can't work without his masters hand up its backend!

The point is that whoever is taking training, we need to start getting the basics right. Somewhere along the way we have lost sight of this.

What was completely evident yesterday was there was zero structure of any sort.

The same can be said about Bennett with the players he had at the Broncos, he couldn't produce his so called magic at the Knights or the dragons .

I don't think we can point a finger at Agar this early in the season, Biscuit is pretty much spot on regards a leader and his other points, TS brought Asotasi in as a leader he's not leading, Bridge at 6 is not the answer GOB seems to be in awe of those around him rather than playing to his own game, I thought kicking was his main strength, whatever TS's thoughts were pre season with regards to the halves they now appear to be in tatters.

Does anyone know what incluence each of the backroom staff really has?
I don't but would love to know.

TS doesn't become a bad coach overight. Some of his signings have been very good, some poor (sorry Roy but you're in the latter camp)
Never been overly convinced with Agar and not sure what he brings to the club, but not bagging him because I simply don't know what his role is eg work with the halves, work as a defensive coach etc etc

All I know is that players usually jump at the chance to earn browny points by praising their coach in the media, yet I haven't heard a peep about Agar. To me it reeks of jobs for the boys.

If Agar gets free reins of the coaching side I can only see 1 way this clubs going and it isn't up.Just ask the Wakefield and Hull fans.Surprised Moran endorsed Smithys praise of him which obviously is based on a long term friendship more than his coaching abilities.

I think we can add France to that list, they have totally underachieved since he took over. Agar stood down after we won at Belle Vue, the turnaround there in the following months scared the life out of me.

So if TS isn't involved in coaching, then his job spec should be changed from Head of Coaching & Rugby to just Head of Rugby and Agar's title should then be Head Coach.

But then you say the 2nd part as if Smith is the 1st team coach. He isn't, Agar is.

Ultimately, if Agar isn't coaching the team right, then that it for Smith to sort out. The question is......will he?

As runningman says, Agar's track record in a coaching role is far from illustrious. Moran can't be happy with what he is seeing, it's his money paying for this lot at the end of the day.

This discussion is a bit like driving at night without lights. We could be on the right side of the road on a dead straight stretch. Alternatively we might just have missed the hairpin bend and be heading over a 100' cliff. However, since Moran is a stickler for forward planning, and to have two coaches is expensive to say the least, presumably Agar is the anointed successor to TS. If true, lets hope he has learned to drive by then, and remembers to turn the lights on.

Didn't Agar get sacked by his two last previous Employes also???

I shudder at the thought of Agar being in sole charge!

How are Hull and Wakefield doing .....I assume since agar has moved on both clubs are flying high. ....