I have mixed emotions on Trent. He has done a job for us performing at 80% in attack and solid in defence. When he came on for Grix last week, his first drive was amazing- full of energy and making probably 10m. We've hardly seen any of these big drives and I'll remember him mainly as plodder when he leaves.
I feel sorry for Chris but his defensive mistakes were especially prominant last season in key games.

Two things.
1. Very suprised soooo many backroom staff are leaving at the same time. I assume the club has got replacements lined up, or that and a re-organization to amalgamate roles (taking the above into account). Even so - stability is a key indicator for me and we've got a 'wobble'.
2. If by input you mean 'cash' then the business model isn't working. That's a really big isue for me. We shouldn't have to rely on one person (and no-one can reasonably say that we haven't relied on SJM), but I would have hoped the reliance would have been reduced over the years.

head of coniditioning at Widnes next year

I was surprised not to see Paul Wood's name on the list of people leaving too. I know he's still contracted for next year, but as was Riley and for me Woody has not offered a lot so far this year.

Chris has been great for us, hope we sign him permanently. And I hope Agar doesn't do to you what he did to us. Good luck in the play-offs #WTID

Just reading the post on the RFL site regarding the people leaving, seems michael monghan will not br getting coaching role with us.and looks like waterhouse is suplus to requirments.

If we get Riley I'll be very pleased.

This thread sees a few of you critical of his defensive performance last year, well if that is the case he has certainly improved. He's not scored many for us but that is more down to the service. His defence has been exceptionally good and this wing has improved significantly compared to last year due to him being there.

We'll take Riley and you can have Agar. Sounds like a cracking deal to us

Trent has had a solid 3 years I think, when he joined people at first found it hard to come to terms with the type of player he was. Runs one of the best lines I have seen in my time (I'm 17).

Don't think we need to replace him and I don't want to either, we've got Laithwaite there and he's the one who should be in Trent's place next year.

Sad, but expected, re Riley.

Waterhouse. As I've said on here countless times, I wont be losing much sleep on him going home. Ta for your efforts. Far from a bad player, but you didn't justify your big overseas player's wage packet.

Now, I'm well and truly out of the loop regarding the youth players, but I thought Saltenstall (sp) was going to be the "next bright thing". What went wrong with him?

Unfortunately Saltonstall never really pushed on from the U19's. He played for England Academy in 2012, but never quite managed to get a debut in the first team. This year he didn't play until mid April - presumably he was unable to get a gig with a Championship side. Finally York in Championship 1 took him and he has been a regular in the side over the season. Pity, but an all too familiar story for us.

So is your only gripe with waterhouse his pay packet?(not that anyone on here has any idea what that actually is!). That is hardly his fault, the club decide what to pay him. Waterhouse has been very good for us and it shows when he isn't there(like last years grand final). That said, i think the time is right to let him go. We've had a few good years out of him and now have some young exciting back rowers in the team.

Seems a shame.

Whenever I scanned the Guardian, he was spoken of quite highly, and always seemed to get a mention on here.
Maybe he's found his level. Still quite young. Time for the lad to develop. He owes that to himself, after a good youth career (that I've read about)

I've had many gripes with Waterhouse, not least his wages.

His disappearance in games being my major gripe.

It showed when he wasn't here this season....we went on a 10 match unbeaten run

Yes, he could tackle
Yes, he could take "crash balls" and have 3 men to bring him down....

BUT, I want more than that from a SoO/ AussieTest forward.

As I've said before, we got Gary Sanderson, for (what virtually all of us assume) Matt King's wages.

Remember that time he disappeared at Saints in the playoffs?