we can only score from kicks. Atkins stank again, stood off three tackles at the back end of the game and just doesn't communicate with our horrible left edge defence.

Edge defence let us down again, in particular Atkins, aside from that I thought we were pretty solid and did the basics well. Combinations don't develop over night, they take time, so the most important thing today was getting over when we could and controlling territory. Would love to see Gaz keep his spot when Russell comes in, and move stef to centre over Atkins, won't happen though...

I'm sure Ormsby thinks your better looking markm

Atkins was ok today, ran it in hard and was solid. He wasnt put in any positions by the halfs to look good in attack.

Only heard it on the radio so can't say a lot but the presenters thought O'Brien had another good game, any money he's dropped and Atkins retains his place.

O'Brien put a few decent intelligent kicks in today. The one for the knock on in the corner by the West & North stand was sublime due to the weather conditions. O'Brien was good in defence but does get caught at times in possession.

One dimensional in attack, not spreading the ball out to the backs enough IMO. Still suspect goal line defence.

Hill, Waterhouse and Benny working their socks off in the pack. Verdict is out on Asotasi yet, for an experienced ex international prop he doesn't seem to have that fear factor in the opposition like Morley and Carvell did. I'd like to see him taking the ball up more and coming in as first tackler.

On early season showing I think both Hull and Wire look average mid table teams, they should both make the 8 with a couple of places separating them.

Having watched the first three games of this season it makes me appreciate more the attacking flare of the team I had the pleasure of watching over the last few years.

Overall 2 points gained and at least we have a few players to come back from injury.

Good points but there were positives today. England, Ben Evans & Laithweight held their own and O'Brien played well defensively against Ellis. Let's not forget we still have Woody, Harrison and Russell to play. "Join me in chasing away the boo boys"

Agreed. Left edge defence was appalling, absolutely dreadful. Other points for me:

I thought Asotasi put in a few really big shots today which knocked the Hull players backwards. A good sign he might be coming into some form.

Laithwaite and Evans did well from the bench again.

Another load of stupid 4th and 5th tackle penalties and silly offload attempts,.

Still, it's a win!

Hull seemed to be able to create overlaps better than us which was alarming & they were making good yards at times when in possession ,but the building blocks are there for a decent side once the confidence kicks in with the younger players. Overall though i thought the defence stood up quite well against most of their attacks.

I hope Dwyer is going to be given some playing time though so we don't start next season with a first team hooker with A team experience.

Like your enthusiasm WW As an East stander I don't hear many of the boo boys. I am not too optomistic we can can reach the heights of the last few years with the current squad. Come mid season and the players have had the chance to play together and gel my thoughts may change but we are struggling to score creative tries at the moment and our defence needs to improve. The creativity may come once and if Ratchford is moved into the halves.

The Grand Final isn't won in February or March as they say

It's going to be a long season for those who cant imagine a Wires match without Lee Briers...

Last season with Lee Briers we lost this fixture, and didnt score as many points, and in better conditions and with a settled mid season team ........

Apart from in a coaching role the team has lost Briers's skills on the pitch & it would probably take a long time to replace him so the ace in the hole has gone.
The challenge for the coaching staff is to get the team to win as a team .