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| Quote: ISpeaksProperEnglish "Hansens shoulder hit Ratchford in exactly the same place were Monoghan head hit Richards.'"
Are you suggesting that Monaghan viciously attacked Richards intentionally with his head?
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| Quote: Paullie "I'm getting really wound up with this 'I was always told to take the legs' garbage. Yes, kids are told to go for the legs first when tackling an oncoming attacker. Kids are NOT taught to take the legs while two of your own side hold the attacker in a upright position therefore rendering him a sitting duck.
Ok, so that type of tackle is currently legal, doesn't make it safe. Shoulder charges were legal last year but the powers that be saw fit to ban them as they have the potential for causing injury, this tackle should also be banned for exactly the same reason. Chicken wings were legal at one point as, I'm sure if you go far enough back, were spear tackles!!!
I'm also getting wound up with this 'that is the way that the knee bends so that tackle wont cause injury'. Well how do you control the subsequent fall to the ground? Taking the Ratchford tackle as an example, two defenders hold Ratchford up, Hansen takes his knees, the subsequent fall is ALWAYS going to be in a backwards direction from the knee up. This means that the weight of himself as well as the two defenders drop on the knee joint. This could result in the knee over extending, given that Hansens shoulder is directly behind the knee joint. Even if the shoulder wasn't there the ankle is at risk seeing is its immediately underneath the weight of three bodies with no movement. Of course Ratchford could always try to spin to avoid this crumpled heap but then, with stoods preventing his feet from rotating, the knee ligaments then become at risk.
Whichever way I look at it, going for anywhere in the leg area puts any immediate joints / bones at risk either a) directly from the tackle or b) from the subsequent fall.
This type of tackle needs banning immediately!
You must really get wound up at the dreadful unlawful penalty given as Angel Benny Westwood caressed Blake Green with a loving stroke accross his cheek in an effort to show him just how much he cares for him.....
Two wrongs don't make a right, but the Hansen tackle was unfortunate rather than deliberate. He did not attack the knee's but the leg got caught underneath.
The thug on the field was and usually is, Westwood, despicable player who brings shame to the sport. How do you justify that. Tell your kids its ok if the ref does not see it?
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| Quote: captaindan "You must really get wound up at the dreadful unlawful penalty given as Angel Benny Westwood caressed Blake Green with a loving stroke accross his cheek in an effort to show him just how much he cares for him.....
Two wrongs don't make a right, but the Hansen tackle was unfortunate rather than deliberate. He did not attack the knee's but the leg got caught underneath.
The thug on the field was and usually is, Westwood, despicable player who brings shame to the sport. How do you justify that. Tell your kids its ok if the ref does not see it?'"
Can you please clarify where I made reference to Westwood or in any way defended his actions?
I suppose the difference is thought that Green played on, Ratchford didn't. Are we not questioning the potential to cause career threatening injury? A punch to the face, as quickly as it happened in the tackle, was never going to end Greens career, Hansens tackle, on the other hand could easily have had that outcome!
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| Quote: captaindan "You must really get wound up at the dreadful unlawful penalty given as Angel Benny Westwood caressed Blake Green with a loving stroke accross his cheek in an effort to show him just how much he cares for him.....
Two wrongs don't make a right, but the Hansen tackle was unfortunate rather than deliberate. He did not attack the knee's but the leg got caught underneath.
The thug on the field was and usually is, Westwood, despicable player who brings shame to the sport. How do you justify that. Tell your kids its ok if the ref does not see it?'"
Two wrongs don't make a right, but you're talking about something completely unconnected to distract and take the conversation away from a house tactic.
There's plenty of other threads for you to spill your bile over Westwood's swinging arm, this one isn't about it.
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| So Ratchford might have 'unfortunately' had his career ended?
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| It was back to the house tactics that McGuire introduced at Wigan a few seasons ago. It was a deliberate attempt to injure a player who's momentum had stopped. Thank he hit the hip, because if Ratchford had been upright as he was half a second before Hansen would have hit his intended target.
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| Well Ratchford didn't look too bad on Sunday in the Fox and Goose in Wigan in fancy dress singing on the Karaoke
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| Quote: Sunshine state "Well Ratchford didn't look too bad on Sunday in the Fox and Goose in Wigan in fancy dress singing on the Karoke'"
I think it was his ankle ligaments that were damaged, not his throat.
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| Quote: Steve51 "It was back to the naughty person tactics that McGuire introduced at Wigan a few seasons ago. It was a deliberate attempt to injure a player who's momentum had stopped. Thank love he hit the hip, because if Ratchford had been upright as he was half a second before Hansen would have hit his intended target.'"
How do you know where Hansen intended to hit?
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| Was it Solomona who was the victim of a bad tackle to the knees in the CC semi final a couple of years ago ? Protection needs to be given to players joints though by RFL directives if only for the fact that allowing such play to continue will result in an even bigger shortage of players in our game.
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| This *tackle* has been outlawed in American Football for many years. The first time I saw it here was on TV in a Saints vs Wigan game on TV about 3 seasons ago when Sam Tomkins attacked the left knee, side on,of Keiron Cunningham. Cunningham didn't seek retribution but gave Tomkins the evil eye.
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| Case Number
ON/729/13
Name
Harrison Hansen
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Wigan
Shirt Number
11
Match
Warrington v Wigan
Competition
Super League
Date
05/10/13
Incident considered
Dangerous Contact in 53rd minute (Ratchford)
Decision
No charge
Details of Charge / Reason for NF
Player tackles opponent held in the tackle however contact is around hip/lower back area, and is contribution from teammate in outcome of tackle
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| Quote: pie.warrior "Case Number
ON/729/13
Name
Harrison Hansen
Club
Wigan
Shirt Number
11
Match
Warrington v Wigan
Competition
Super League
Date
05/10/13
Incident considered
Dangerous Contact in 53rd minute (Ratchford)
Decision
No charge
Details of Charge / Reason for NF
Player tackles opponent held in the tackle however contact is around hip/lower back area, and is contribution from teammate in outcome of tackle'"
So you are using the disciplinary panel details to try and make your point?
Is this the same disciplinary panel that everyone is up in arms about because they have only charged Westwood with 1-2 games and the same disciplinary panel that everyone in RL thinks is a joke?
Where the cap fits and all that.....
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| Quote: BrianBradyHandOff "This *tackle* has been outlawed in American Football for many years. The first time I saw it here was on TV in a Saints vs Wigan game on TV about 3 seasons ago when Sam Tomkins attacked the left knee, side on,of Keiron Cunningham. Cunningham didn't seek retribution but gave Tomkins the evil eye.'"
Come on, Tomkins doesn't do things like that..............everyone knows that.
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| Shocking tackle. Was at the very least reckless and it certainly looked intentional. Everone on the ground went ouch when they saw it. McGuire brought it here, I hoped it had gone away, it has no place in RL
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