St Helens might have lost 5 in a row but at least they know what its like to win one. We will never know that feeling and that is fact we all have to get used to. We are not big enough or good enough. Sad to say but true.

What a shame. Still, show him a vid of the Anderson/Plange era or any game involving Adam Doyle and he'll soon feel a lot better.

It isn't a "fact" and it isn't "true" and BTW I'm not prepared "to get used to it" God help us if the majority at the Club thought like you

Give your head a wobble, sure the last three seasons have been our best chances for some considerable time, but, we have to trust Smith, Moran et al to take stock and prepare us for another tilt at the big prizes including the GF

I tried to explain to him by at his age I was watching the wire getting thrashed 80-0 but he was having none of it. I am proud to have brought my lad up to feel so passionately about The Mighty Wire.

I do remember certain eras at the Club very well and I know things didn't go brilliantly for us at the beginning of Super League but I would like to point out that this is the first time I have spoken RL this way. I have been watching the Wire for just over 30 years and am I Wire and I feel that every time we think we are going to bag a title we can't. This is what has led me to feel the way I do.

I have a great passion for the Wire but I am also very realistic. We are a cup team at best. May I suggest if we want a Grand Final trophy that we go and make one as that is the closest we'll ever to get to one right now. I do not feel good ahead of next season. Still to many 30 somethings in the squad and not much action right now in replacing the incredible talent that is leaving the club.

I thought we were damned unlucky on Saturday. Yes I was there and saw my little cousin of 5 at the end of the game in tears and that hurt me enormously. For me having a period of 20-25 mins in an 80 min game does not make you the best team. I felt that the tackle on Ratchford was reckless at best and went unpunished. I felt we were done out of 12 points at the start of the second half. I am not sure the referee knows the difference between a charge down and a knock on. He sure messed up regarding Ryan getting through with a free ball after they dropped it entering a tackle on half way.

I look at last Saturday as being our last chance in a long long while. Should we get to the GF next year I may, and this is a major decision for me, think twice about attending.

But....to win the league you have to win a cup competition.

two points in one game back in 2010 has stopped us finishing in the top two for the last four years. We're hardly a cup team.

Good point, Mark. An awful lot of drivel on here at the moment, some are actually believing the trolls.

The thread is titled let's stop the negativity and perhaps you should start looking on the bright side come on we are all disappointed but we've got to crack on and look forward to next year?

I agree with some of your post about the Atkins breakaway from the strip/knock on and the tackle on Ratchford so when you think about it a number of things conspired against us so why was that our one and only chance?

As Mark says you have to be a cup team of sorts to win the 'big prize' why not us?

Now the Wire

Uncle Rico:

I have to agree. I put myself through every painful minute of last Saturday again and apart from a 20 minute spell where everything went wrong we were the best side there.

I am very optimistic with these first 3 or 4 signings too. Lets get ourselves back to that GF and make it 3rd time's a charm and take the damn trophy this time. BTW: When we get to the GF next year lets make some noise ALL game and not just for 40 minutes.

C'MON THE WIRE!!!!!