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| Quote: SEB "That isn't reality, it is assumption based on recent conditions. The idea is that more funding (mostly from cutting top flight from 14 to 12) will be put into the top clubs in the second 12. And those clubs ought to be able to generate more funds themselves through season tickets and sponsorship and bigger crowds due to having a chance of promotion plus playing 4 SL clubs. The intended reality is that there should be a much smaller gap between the quality of the squads at the bottom of the top division and the top of the second.
As for the bottom 8 - for their last 7 fixtures they will be playing for the chance to appear in a final and win silverware (whatever it may be called) - why wouldn't they want that? They may also eventually be playing to avoid relegation.'"
What difference will funding really make to the difference between SL and Championship (or whatever they're going to be called)? There is already a huge difference in squad quality between the top and bottom of SL despite the clubs (Bradford excepted) theoretically already being on the same funding. Whilst Championship clubs can cause the occasional shock in a one off game in the cup, doing it 2 or 3 times in a league situation simply isn't going to happen.
And the idea of silverware competed for by the bottom 8 of 24 is just about the most farcical thing the RFL have ever come up with. You can come up with the ridiculous situation where a team battling for 4th in the second division may well prefer to lose and go into the 'Best of the Worst competition' rather than win have their backsides handed to them for the last 7 games of the season.
Maybe it's me simply not seeing this (and I am trying) but I truly cannot see anything good coming out of the proposed setup.
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| I'm loath to slag off something I don't fully understand, but that's the reason I'm going to slag it off! I consider myself fairly savvy in understanding these things (I can run you through any SL play-off system we've had, or even something like the NFL league/play-off structure), so take the view if I don't get it, most others won't (more from the fact that I take interest in understanding these things, and most are more casual observers, who just won't bother!)
I don't think there's anything wrong with the current fundamentals-league of H&A, plus Magic, with play-offs (I'll come back to that though).
However, by making the league complicated, you're risking confusing fans for a far longer period than just when the play-offs are happening! And this system is complicated, no doubt. Fans, clubs, the media, don't like uncertainty when buying/selling tickets or advertising/supporting events. Here your last 7 league games could be anything.
The thing I don't get is the middle 8-given your first 23 games will be against different opposition (ie half will have played top 8, other half bottom 8.), I assume all points are scrapped, and you start at nil? Therefore, you've effectively got a 7 game mini-season the determine our first 23 games of next season??
I could rattle on for ages as to why I don't like it, but I can sum it up easily-it's just too complicated, and potentially unfair, whilst offering little reward for relatively higher finishing in the league to secure play-off spots.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: we need to generate more interest/kudos back into league positions, and IMHO only a top 5 play-off system does that.
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| Whatever the structure of the play-offs, I still believe the team that ends up top of the pile after the end of the regular season should automatically go through to the GF.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "There isn't really much more to play for for the top 2 or 3 clubs.
This is basically like the RU playoffs where the top 4 just get a semi final, so you are a game away from Old Trafford whether you finish first or finish fourth.
In the last six seasons the gap between 1st and 4th has ranged between 6 points and 14 points. There will be a big incentive for finishing fourth but for the strongest clubs once you are fairly well clear of the battlers in 5th or 6th then how much will league fixtures really matter? Your mind turns all to the one off must win game. And all you are playing for, in terms of difference between 1st and 4th, is home advantage.
As for the difference between 1st and 2nd, assuming both clubs got a home game then all it means is it changes the opponent you play in the semi. Again one loss and you are out.
I prefer our current playoff format because it does give some rewards for finishing higher, eg week off or a second chance.
The reason people started to kick off about our current playoff format is because of Leeds winning it from 5th. Under a 1v4, 2v3 semi final format, one year we will have 3rd and 4th in the Grand Final and that will start everyone discrediting it so we will start looking for a different playoff format again...'"
It may yet be as follows for play offs
week 1.
A) 1 v 2 winner to final
B) 3 v 4 loser out
week 2.
C) Loser A v Winner B
week 3.
FINAL
Winner A v Winner C
therefore finishing 1st or 2nd gives an advantage of 2 attempts to make the final
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| Quote: pie.warrior "It may yet be as follows for play offs
week 1.
A) 1 v 2 winner to final
B) 3 v 4 loser out
week 2.
C) Loser A v Winner B
week 3.
FINAL
Winner A v Winner C
therefore finishing 1st or 2nd gives an advantage of 2 attempts to make the final'"
Thats a better system if we go to top 4, its quite similar to the old top 5 playoff which a lot of fans have been calling to come back.
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| If it has to be explained and explained again its a fecking stupid idea.....
Our game used be simple with relatively few rules. the format was very simple, and it was easy to understand who was the best team.
it makes a mockery of our sport and you just couldnt explain it or defend it to a non fan that may have an incling to start following the sport...
the split 3 leagues will go through
we will become nothing short of a circus...
video refs at some game not at others
different rules for club games and internationals
a league structure not easily understood
Club call... will that be ditched...? that might sway a few people......
anyway it'll all turn to .......
I'm not a fan of the RFL
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