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I think it is quite simple! - this is an extract from the RFL letter - " Having taken the view point they were not going to play many, if any, games in the first team in 2013 all six players have agreed to the transfer arrangements and their new employment contract with Swinton Lions RLFC. These players are now not registered or contracted with Warrington Wolves and therefore do not count towards the regulation regarding only allowing 5 loan and/or dual registered players in any matchday 17."

The six were subsequently increased to 7 with the inclusion of Danny bridge.

As the rules have it, swinton have loaned Mendieka to london, the seven players have no contracts with warrington. It has been announced on the swinton website.

You may note the careful wording on the warrington website which avoids saying he is currently a warrington player...vague.

I suspect that the reason they still appear on the warrington website is due to the fact that warrington have received sponsorship for the player and it is not political to have dumped your reserves.

That said, click your fingers and I am sure they will find a way back.

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To further muddy already murky waters, in referring to both players loan arrangements, TS is quoted in todays League weekly as saying ...

"Brad is probably just getting back to the standard where he deserves a shot in super league again .... the benefits they'll gain from having a shot at that level, we feel, will enhance their chances for us and when given the chance with us, they'll be the better for it".

Seems pretty conclusive to be honest, rather suprisingly so in some ways.

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Quote: Just Little Lion Man "The six were subsequently increased to 7 with the inclusion of Danny bridge.

As the rules have it, swinton have loaned Mendieka to london, the seven players have no contracts with warrington. It has been announced on the swinton website. '"


Not sure about Bridge as he has been in our matchday squad last couple of weeks. Perhaps Swinton have loaned him to us?

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But has anyone seen him play?

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Quote: Just Little Lion Man "I think it is quite simple! - this is an extract from the RFL letter - " Having taken the view point they were not going to play many, if any, games in the first team in 2013 all six players have agreed to the transfer arrangements and their new employment contract with Swinton Lions RLFC. These players are now not registered or contracted with Warrington Wolves and therefore do not count towards the regulation regarding only allowing 5 loan and/or dual registered players in any matchday 17."

The six were subsequently increased to 7 with the inclusion of Danny bridge.

As the rules have it, swinton have loaned Mendieka to london, the seven players have no contracts with warrington. It has been announced on the swinton website.

You may note the careful wording on the warrington website which avoids saying he is currently a warrington player...vague.

I suspect that the reason they still appear on the warrington website is due to the fact that warrington have received sponsorship for the player and it is not political to have dumped your reserves.

That said, click your fingers and I am sure they will find a way back.'"


Why would Swinton choose to loan out a first team regular?

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Chris Terris Taylor of the WG has written on twitter that "Danny Bridge, Ryan Shaw and some of the other Wolves players are not Wolves players officially, but Swinton players that train full time with Wolves. As such, it was Swinton that loaned Brad Dwyer and James Mendeika out to SL clubs officially, not Wolves."

I think he has got it wrong with Dwyer, but otherwise confirms what has been said above. As someone pointed out Danny Bridge has been in the 19 man squad lately, so I presume he is currently on loan to Warrington? What a mess.
Quote: Danny Bridge, Ryan Shaw and some of the other Wolves players are not Wolves players officially, but Swinton players that train full time with Wolves. As such, it was Swinton that loaned Brad Dwyer and James Mendeika out to SL clubs officially, not Wolves. "But has anyone seen him play?'"

He captained the under 20s squad last year from stand off, but seems to have switched to centre this year so difficult for me to comment really.

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Quote: Ganson's Optician "I think he has got it wrong with Dwyer, but otherwise confirms what has been said above. As someone pointed out Danny Bridge has been in the 19 man squad lately, so I presume he is currently on loan to Warrington?'"

Apparently Dwyer is indeed a Swinton player. D Bridge is on loan to Warrington.

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Quote: Ganson's Optician "Just done a bit of digging, and the six to sign for Swinton were "Morrison, Mendeika, Burke, Shaw, Ormsby and Riley".

What's going on is anyone's guess! Squadbuilder/WWST have been silent on this, which is unfortunate as they are probably in the best position to at least try and explain what on earth is going on. Perhaps Roy or someone else who reads this forum could help?'"


Certainly the scrapping of the u20s, the decision by SL Clubs (but not all, Warrington voted against) to not go with the RFL recommended u23s and the farcical dual reg / loaning situations not to mention the difficulties in funding the community programme following the massive reduction in Sport England funding have all been hot topics at our recent board meetings. So much so unfortunately we have not got down to analysing the detail of how individual players are being managed. Only that despite this being a system Warrington did not want, the club are determined to make it work as best they can. So I guess we will see a few more curious arrangements as the season continues.

I can only hope the clubs can get back together, realise they've made an almighty mess and put it right for 2014.

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Quote: "There has been some confusion surrounding young centre James Mendeika's loan move to London Broncos earlier this week.

Mendeika, 21, has moved south on a five-week loan in a deal announced by both Warrington and the Broncos.

However, Mendeika is actually on the move from Championship side Swinton, with whom he signed a one-year deal earlier this season, alongside five other ex-Wolves team-mates - Glenn Riley, Ryan Shaw, Gene Ormsby, Jordan Burke and Jack Morrison.

The RFL have confirmed that Mendeika is officially a Swinton player, now on loan to London.

The confusion stems from the partnership between Warrington and Swinton, which sees the Lions make use of the Wolves' facilities, effectively meaning the six players have continued to train full-time with Warrington.

That confusion was further increased when Warrington announced that Mendeika, as their player, had made the move south, while London also announced in a press release that they had signed Mendeika from their Super League rivals; when in fact, he had been signed from Swinton.'"


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Still no one thinking it's a bit odd that Swinton would sign someone and then not even half way into the season loan out someone that's played for them, as far as I know, every week?

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So the players have signed for Swinton, without a transfer fee, have contracts with Swinton, and therefore I assume Swinton pay their wages too (hence they aren't counted against the salary cap). I a right to say that it's only a 'gentlemans agreement' that keeps them linked with Warrington, and if Swinton wanted to sell them on they are free to do so?

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Quote: shinymcshine "So the players have signed for Swinton, without a transfer fee, have contracts with Swinton, and therefore I assume Swinton pay their wages too (hence they aren't counted against the salary cap). I a right to say that it's only a 'gentlemans agreement' that keeps them linked with Warrington, and if Swinton wanted to sell them on they are free to do so?'"



All IMO;

These players would not have got a game this year at Wire as they are 'over age'. By going to Swinton it helps both parties out, they get some decent young talent and the players get a higher standard of competition to prove themselves. They are contracted to Swinton for 1 year (most players in the Champ. only have a 1 year contract), after which they are technically free agents, so no, Swinton could not sell them on. And yes, there is an unwritten agreement here, based on the understanding that the new age groups has been a 'less than sensible' decision made by the SL chairmen, engineered by Hetherington, ably assisted by Lenagan. This is an attempt to paper over the cracks until the new arrangements are agreed for 2014.

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Quote: Ganson's Optician "Apparently Dwyer is indeed a Swinton player. D Bridge is on loan to Warrington.'"


No Dwyer is still a warrington player and played for swinton under dual reg.

The 7 swinton players are burke, shaw, medieka, bridge ,morrison, ormsby, riley. They all have swinton squad numbers and appear in the program each week.

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Quote: toastymcb "Still no one thinking it's a bit odd that Swinton would sign someone and then not even half way into the season loan out someone that's played for them, as far as I know, every week?'"


Life in the championship is VERY different to superleague. If a player gets an offer of a trial/ loan at a super league club then they are unlikely to stand in their way. They no doubt have a contract clause. Also transfer fees are rare and undermimes any attempts to develop players.

All the seven will.become free agents in sept and can sign for who they like. If a gentlemans agreement exists it would be between the player and.Warrington.

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