We need to remember the game lasts 80 minutes. We played for about 8. Jon Clarke ran us ragged.

It's a concern for us but a concern for the sport too because players like him don't make the grade anymore. He's not particularly fast, strong or big but he's almost always the best player on the pitch when he plays so what clubs look for in players now doesn't always mean they are what makes a good rugby league player.

Without him we're a completely different team.



We've been in four finals in four years and have won more big games than we've lost in recent years, but we've lost heavily to Salford home and away, London and Widnes in the last three years. Is there something to be worried/upset in that? Is our squad not as good as we'd like to think? Are we taking our foot off the gas in these games too much? Are we displaying the wrong attitude? Are we just thinking that losing to teams that won't effect our league position doesn't really matter? Does it even matter?

warrington where played off the park.

Good point.We (Leeds) Have been beaten at our lowly rivals Cas already this year and i expect Wakey will be fired up to give us a going over in our re-aranged fixture.

Widnes away is a much tougher game this year and as they are your rivals were bound to lift to another level.

I really hope the person that threw a bottle of beer at the players gets found and banned for life. Don't need any of that .

Whe where. Whell deserved whin for Whidnes today.

He was lucky to not get lynched by his own fans! He was pointed out by the fans around him and escorted out by a steward. I hope he is taught a lesson.

Thank you to all of the wire fans for leaving with 10 mins to go, made getting away from the ground at full time a lot easier.

Many thanks for the excellent support you brought across today.

As for the game the best team won, not a lot wrong with Warrington you'll be at or near the top come seasons end.

Just like last year its always your year Best wishes etc.....

Well done Widnes in your cup final. If you watch the TV the last weekend in August you will see us in our cup final.
I would seriously look at Briers and if he's out or the season then deregister him and get another player in. I know it was O'Briens first game but he was way below his standard he set last year.

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great stuff from widnes... long may performances like that against us continue

warrington need to buck their ideas up if they want to carry on being considered one of the best teams... 4 trophies in 4 seasons is pretty impressive but if we fade now we aren't going to be remembered for very long

as an aside it must be fantastic being a widnes speccie at the moment, yeah they got smashed last week but i remember the excitement when warrington were in a similar phase... i'd say about the time we moved into new ground, graham appo scored 20 odd tries from stand off, signing gleeson the nxt year i think (not too disimilar to hock signing), danny lima doing his dj-celebration etc.

the team is now better but was much more interested in the regular rounds back then

if widnes can kick on like we did, we can stay up there, and the future of the derby is as a top of the league clash i'd be well happy, although i'd prefer us to win, obviously

Nothing really much to say. Widnes won their Cup/Grand Final, and with ease. We were out-enthused at every play, exploited on the flanks and the amount of dropped ball we did was unreal.

Still, onwards and upwards for the home game against the Broncos.

Any other league game, and I wouldn't be bothered. I am a slight bit bothered about this defeat, moreso because we conceded 38 points and we got beat by a side that contained Phil Joseph, Patrick Ah Van and Ben Cross.