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| Its turned into a rubbish tactic this year so far. I beleive that this is case because in previous years we seemed to have had two players charging at the football so that one makes contact and the other is available to pick up the scraps. this year it appears that it is one out stuff which gives the percentage of pick up back to the kicking team.
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| I think it is only a successful charge down if the same player who charged it down is the first to touch the ball again but if a team mate plays the ball first i think it 's classed as a knock on.
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| Hate chargedowns, just about to get the ball back and you decide to make it a 50-50 gamble. should be left to desperate situations.
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| The idea of the charge down is to keep the chasers back as much as making the kicker stand deep. If you watch when we kick, the middle men are generally infront of the kicker and on kick chase before the kick has come, resulting in less meters from the fullback/winger, so starting the set deeper in the opposition territory. Teams now can't do that, incase the ball comes back and you get a break away. I'd stick with it
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| Quote: wolfinwidnes "i thought this year they were stopping the wiping the tackle count after a charge down?? did this get trialled or have i just made this up? i think it would be a good rule change tho'"
I hope you made this up.
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| IIRC it was trialled in the Boxing Day fixtures, and I assume wasn't adopted for this season. Below is a quote from a report of a Boxing Day game:
"The next of the changes comes with the charge down rule. As was the case, for as long as I remember, if you attempt to charge a kick down and the kicking team regains the ball the tackle count is restarted. Not now, charge downs no longer alter the tackle count."
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| As has been said, trialled but not adopted into the rules.
Saints must have had a number of repeat sets following a re-gather after a charge down. Repeat sets are energy sapping for the defending team and I'm not sure why Wire still continue to do it.
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| But we nearly scored off it trouble is the players that are doing it are the slow players i.e. Monaghan.
Good tactic though just needs to be executed better i think
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| Monas may be slow but his speed of thought isn't.
It's other players that need to switch on.
If that rule had come in it would sure make the game interesting.
I like the idea that if you recover a kick you've just had charged down you're still on the same tackle.
We'd have had 100% success if that had been the case.
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| Quote: ninearches "I think it is only a successful charge down if the same player who charged it down is the first to touch the ball again but if a team mate plays the ball first i think it 's classed as a knock on.'"
No, it isn't a knock on.
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| How about instead of getting another set of six, the kicking team gets one extra tackle? A successful chargedown is well executed pressure play by the defending team and a poorly executed kick from the kicking team. Yet the kicking team get a huge reward if they manage to regain posession. Perhaps they should be allowed one more tackle to re-set themselves for the kick again.
It would make the last tackle a bit more interesting!
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| Quote: SEB "How about instead of getting another set of six, the kicking team gets one extra tackle? A successful chargedown is well executed pressure play by the defending team and a poorly executed kick from the kicking team. Yet the kicking team get a huge reward if they manage to regain posession. Perhaps they should be allowed one more tackle to re-set themselves for the kick again.
It would make the last tackle a bit more interesting!'"
That's not a bad idea IMO it's a bit more balanced. There should be some reward for charging the kick down even when not succesfully regathered.
If things stay as they are, without stating the obvious, the validity of the tactic depends on field postion and when in the tackle count it takes place. I say keep at it, if it pays off or nearly pays off once in a game the pressure will build next kick
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| Quote: Barbed Wire "The idea of the charge down is to keep the chasers back as much as making the kicker stand deep. If you watch when we kick, the middle men are generally infront of the kicker and on kick chase before the kick has come, resulting in less meters from the fullback/winger, so starting the set deeper in the opposition territory. Teams now can't do that, incase the ball comes back and you get a break away. I'd stick with it'"
Surely then your middle men would all be off side, unless they give the receiver 10 metres or the kicker runs in front of the said middle men and plays them all on side. I only saw Ratchford kick then sprint in front of the middle men to play them all on side on Friday night once. (he may have done it more than once, but I can't recall if he did)
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| IMO it's a great tactic, if they are kicking from there own half charge it down every time, they can't score a try if the balls not near our line. If it's regathered by the opposition we set up and go again for another set.
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| I think its generally a poor tactic under current rules. Steve Price used to get all kinds of pats on the back from commentators for chargedowns, but in fact almost always the best outcome wasn't a chargedown but a rushed and therefore poor kick. If that's the aim then its fine, but actually wanting to cause a situation where the kicking team can reset the count is just dumb (and from my albeit subjective memory I'd bet the odds are heavily stacked in favour of the kicking team retrieving the ball because it usually goes back into their line somewhere).
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