1. Warrington
2. Catalan
3. St Helens
4. Leeds
5. Hull
6. Wigan
7. Bradford
8. Wakefield
9. Huddersfield
10. Hull KR
11. London
12. Widnes
13. Castleford
14. Salford

Looking at a few of squads, and there is huge talent gulfs from where they were last year. Salford especially. Wigan have been lucky in a way to even keep the rest of their good players if Hock would have left there would have been trouble. But to me the squad looks underdone. The genuine class rests on Tomkins, Hock and O'Loughlin. Huddersfield were treading water last year, and look in for a tough year.

Still, who knows. No one predicted Wakefield doing what they did last year, so anything can happen!

If Tomkins gets a long term injury then Wigan’s hopes of winning any trophy disappears there and then. I cannot think of any trophy challenging team whose threat on attack is so dependent upon one player.

If he stays fit (and they all kiss and make up) Wigan will be in the mix for all the trophies.

Shaun Wane OBE (Out before Easter!)

1. Wolves (win treble)
2. Rhinos (grand final runners-up)
3. Dragons (challenge cup runners-up)
4. Saints
5. Broncos (the dark horses!)
6. Hull FC
7. T Wildcats
8. Warriors (Wane sacked on round 13)
9. Giants
10. Hull KR
11. Bulls
12. Vikings
13. Tigers
14. C Reds (if gone before rnd 1 then Halifax to replace them)

Howz that?

Top 4 same as this year apartb from 4,5,6 being from Hull, Leeds and Catalan.
Not sue on the 1,2,3 Heart says Wire, Saints, Wigan, but depends if onyone goes for the Leaders sheild or does a Leeds and concentrates on the Grand Final.

It's easy to predict who will be in the top 8, what order is very difficult, i don't think many clubs will be to bothered which position they finish in, here's to another mediocre league season!

If we wanted to win the LLS we would do.

Wigan's players who will really be missed are Carmont and Leuluai.
Lima has been replaced by Taylor and Finch by Green.
Taylor is around 6" taller than Lima and a lot heavier plus being more athletic.
Green has pace over Finch but not the experience. Brett had a poor end of season though.
Carmont has not been replaced and the 4 shirt has gone to Hughes with Wane saying Iain Thornley will get a good spell at 4. George could be a big miss.
Smith is nowhere near as good as Tommy but could add something if he brought a good kicking game to the park. There was no such thing as TL's kicking game, it simply did not exist.
Wigan will have a massive pack with a great balance of youth, experience, skill and pace, this will IMO provide a lot of go forward. What the half backs and threequaters can make on the back of it remains to be seen.
As a Wigan fan I agree with those who say Wigan will be in the top three. Just can't see there being four teams better than Wigan next year.

Id go for this for the final table:

1 - Wire or Saints
3 - Leeds
4 - Catalan
5 - Wigan
6 - Hull
7 - Huddersfield
8 - Wakefield
9 - Bradford
10 - Widnes
11 - London
12 - Hull KR
13 - Castleford
14 - Salford

As for how we'll do? we were two wins away from the treble last season so I see no reason to be anything other than optimistic for next year

What exactly has Nathan Brown done to warrant all this belief that Saints are suddenly going to be top 3 or even win the LLS?

The bloke totally lost the dressing room and his tactics were found out at Huddersfield.

Saints won't be real challengers until they get Lance Hofaifa (or whatever he's called) out of the halves and sign a new prop. I'm sure they'll get top-6 but better than last year? Nope.

I suspect people are placing Catalans a little high. Robinson performed miracles in getting them so high in the last two years, and Frayssinous might take a while to develop his own style.

I think Leeds are actually stronger now, they'll be in the top three with us and Wigan. Saints and Hull next along, Catalans making up the six.

1st - Warrington
2nd - Saints
3rd - Wigan
4th - Catalan
5th - Leeds
6th - Hull FC
7th - Bradford
8th - Huddersfield
9th - Wakefield
10th - London
11th - Hull KR
12th - Castleford
13th - Widnes
14th - Salford

Grand Final Winners - Leeds

I'm going to stick my neck out and predict that Tomkins will be far less of a "game winner" next season. We showed when we played Wigan we could neutralise him. In the CC semi-final Leeds knew how to play against him. Other teams will learn from that. And behind all of that I can remember having discussions with people back in the Wilderspool days....Wigan dont know how to change their system when it aint working.

So looking at the predictions people reckon the Wigan losing Finch . Leuluai . Carmont and Fielden and maybe Hock and replacing them With Smith . Green Taylor I think from kr won't be any worse off than last year ?
I must say I think the pies have a very poor squad and will only scrape into top six maybe just in the top eight if they lose Hock as well !