The players did not perform anywhere near to their capabilities on saturday so they need to have a good look at themselves and make amense in the next few weeks firstly they let themselves down and secondly let the club down.

Tho saints played extremely well and executed their game plan well the same cannot be said for us we were dominated early on and panicked leaving us chasing the game from the get go. This is a massive knee jerk reaction and well out of proportion TS will not leave us without winning a GF and we will be in a good position when he does leave we have the financial means to replace the older players and have the most exciting young HB pairing in SL

Smith destroyed Leeds by leaving them with an ageing squad and a big rebuilding job for his successor, the three Grand Finals they won after he left were just papering over the cracks and making fans miss the real problems that were going on at the club.

He has done exactly the same with us and again three Challenge Cup wins have papered over the real serious and deep problems behind the scenes.

But of course all fans and the board see is the trophy count.

If we win the Grand Final this year all the mugs will be satisfied but it will mean another year of Smith, another year of no change, another year of failing to deal with our problems...

That's a bit one-eyed, dontcha think
Anyone would have thought that you've had CS gas sprayed at you

I have now officially seen it all! Get rid of the best coach we've ever had because we've only won 4 pieces of silver in his 4 years in charge and bring in someone unproven?
Oh dear

Yay! Jd, you got one!

Think I have just entered a parallel universe

Have you ever seen a man eat his own head ? No ...... well you haven't seen it all, have you Gary.

I am still of the opinion that the defeat was more to do with an exceptional Saints defensive effort and not a failing on our behalf.

6 and half a dozen. Saints' defence was incredible, but the longer we couldn't crack it the more we panicked and made mistakes, costing us more points instead of trying to grind them down.

Hope Tony signs a 20 year contract

Seriously???

Yep Leeds really suffered with those 3 grand finals.

If winning trophies is not the measure of success, what is?????

This is from a Saints fan too

Memo to jdrocket: See above, that's how it's done.

Goodhart's Law: once you start using a particular measure as a target for success then it loses its information content because people start gaming the system just to get results on that measure

eg when you start judging coaches by trophy count you get them gaming the system by picking weakened teams in the league the game before a cup semi or cup final, or rotating their squads during the year just to try and keep them fit for the playoffs

That has skewed results and has damaged rugby league.

It sounds like the sort of thing New Labour would have done, published performance tables on coaches by how many trophies they'd won, Ian Millward would have been given a seat in the House of Lords as the government's Elite Performance Tsar.