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Quote: 1905 "The thing I couldn't understand about that song was that they started singing it when they went 18-0 up and it was apparent we were going to lose. This would imply they felt that by losing to them this signalled the end of our season. ‘It’s always your year, It’s always your year, just like the last one, It’s always your year’ the words would imply that they think this is not going to be our year because we were going to get beaten by them. It can’t refer to our poor record against them as, ‘just like the last one’ wouldn’t make any sense as we beat them twice last year.

I actually think it would be a good song to sing if we were to get beaten by them in a playoff game. But I don’t understand them singing it during a league match in March. Last night’s game will have no bearing on whether this year will be our year or not, and for that reason it makes no sense at all. It actually makes them sound a bit stupid.'"


That's it. I can't find a solid argument for what they could be singing about. Nothing makes any sense and makes them sound deluded, pompous and/or stupid

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Quote: jdrocket "That's it. I can't find a solid argument for what they could be singing about. Nothing makes any sense and makes them sound deluded, pompous and/or stupid'"


Atleast they have learnt a new song. Ahead of Wigan now by 2 songs to 1

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Quote: jdrocket "Very amusing, indeed. I welcome all opinions, as long as there is a crumb of a fact to support it. If you don't think saints have declined since 2006, you need your head felt, IMO (if it was a not-so-subtle dig at me, I would like to inform you that my reasoning was that Saints haven't won anything since 2008- compounded by there steady decline in trophies since 2006. And was not a reference to their GF failings- there could be an excuse made for CC fatigue or a hard fought LLS but Saints don't have that and didn't need it in 2006)

But, more to the point, if they are crowing about merely reaching a grand final, what does that say for the aims of St Helens rugby? Are they happy to go every year without winning atrophy as long as their fans get a day out at Old Trafford but cry on the way home? Thnat is very strange.'"


Of course Saints have declined, but there's little wrong in viewing a GF as a success, even if it isn't won. There are only two finals to be played in, there's very little between the sides at the top, so if you're consistently reaching one of the finals - arguably the final viewed as the biggest - then you can't really complain too much. Their fans and club have to be realistic about where they are now, they don't have the British RL greats like they have had over the past ten years or so, but they're still a good side and they're still competing with the very best. I don't think a 'win' can be expected from any club when the difference between the top sides is so small, but being there and competing is always the expectation, something Saints have consistently achieved in SL, and something we could only dream of. Would I swap our LLS for their GF place? Of course not, but if I was told last season that we'd reach the GF, I'd have been fairly chuffed and would have viewed that season as a success.

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Quote: Roddy B "Of course Saints have declined, but there's little wrong in viewing a GF as a success, even if it isn't won. There are only two finals to be played in, there's very little between the sides at the top, so if you're consistently reaching one of the finals - arguably the final viewed as the biggest - then you can't really complain too much. Their fans and club have to be realistic about where they are now, they don't have the British RL greats like they have had over the past ten years or so, but they're still a good side and they're still competing with the very best. I don't think a 'win' can be expected from any club when the difference between the top sides is so small, but being there and competing is always the expectation, something Saints have consistently achieved in SL, and something we could only dream of. Would I swap our LLS for their GF place? Of course not, but if I was told last season that we'd reach the GF, I'd have been fairly chuffed and would have viewed that season as a success.'"


That is a fair assessment and something I have been heralding since Saints' losing streak started. Saints are/were in decline but it does not mean they are a bad side. They have still had our number since their peak in 2006. Saints have historically had a knack for two things; one is beating teams in the final minutes and the other is getting to grand finals and in 96, 97, 02 and 06 (dates may be wrong and I have no doubt I've missed some. I forget when they won) there was a nice win to appearance ratio. However, since then that ratio has shot down.

Having never gotten to a GF, watching Wire I don't know how it would feel, but I'd hate to lose so many on the bounce. Although it isn't something I would proclaim, there is a notion to suggest that as of late Saints are SL's biggest bottlers.

Would I like to get to OT this year? Yes. Would I rather get there than win another LLS? Maybe. However, I think that is as far as I'd go. A day at Wembley is as good/better than OT in my eyes and a trophy of any kind is better than an appearance in the GF. However, deep down I want to experience OT, not so much that I want my heart broken 5 years on the bounce though.

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I thought you lot more than anyone would have worked out by now that the Super League is a knock out competition that starts in September. Yes, the LLS is a fantastic achievement but unforunately (for you last season) the Grand Final is the sport's major showpiece event. All the media-hype surrounding it, the title of 'Super League Champions', it is the big one. So for those who tried to argue that last year was 'your year' by winning the LLS, sorry, it wasn't. Prime examples, who were the SL Champions in 2007 and 2008? Saints won the LLS on both occassions.

The amount of hype surrounding Warrington's GF chances around March time over the past 3 or so seasons is incredible. Some by supporters, mostly by the media. But the fact that the expectation levels are so high, so early in the season, makes you open to the p-taking by opposition fans when you mess it all up when it counts.

The chant last night was bang on, and the OP knows it, which is why they have created a thread to try and derail it word by word hoping to relieve some frustration from having to stand there and take it for 80 minutes icon_wink.gif
Maybe the OP was one of those towards the Western end of the South Stand, frothing at the mouth? I don't think it was intended as bait, just a bit of banter, but boy it didn't half rile some icon_lol.gif

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Quote: jdrocket "

Having never gotten to a GF, watching Wire I don't know how it would feel, but I'd hate to lose so many on the bounce. Although it isn't something I would proclaim, there is a notion to suggest that as of late Saints are SL's biggest bottlers.

Would I like to get to OT this year? Yes. Would I rather get there than win another LLS? Maybe. However, I think that is as far as I'd go. A day at Wembley is as good/better than OT in my eyes and a trophy of any kind is better than an appearance in the GF. However, deep down I want to experience OT, not so much that I want my heart broken 5 years on the bounce though.'"


Are you sure that's your real opinion, or are you just bitter you've never made the GF. It's funny how after you win something you're opinion will change. Much like I'm sure most Wire fans will only have defended the league leaders shield after they won it, but before it i doubt many of you will have voiced much of an opinion about it. You've pretty much contradicted yourself here.

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Quote: Back Row Singer "I thought you lot more than anyone would have worked out by now that the Super League is a knock out competition that starts in September. Yes, the LLS is a fantastic achievement but unforunately (for you last season) the Grand Final is the sport's major showpiece event. All the media-hype surrounding it, the title of 'Super League Champions', it is the big one. So for those who tried to argue that last year was 'your year' by winning the LLS, sorry, it wasn't. Prime examples, who were the SL Champions in 2007 and 2008? Saints won the LLS on both occassions.

The amount of hype surrounding Warrington's GF chances around March time over the past 3 or so seasons is incredible. Some by supporters, mostly by the media. But the fact that the expectation levels are so high, so early in the season, makes you open to the p-taking by opposition fans when you mess it all up when it counts.



The chant last night was bang on, and the OP knows it, which is why they have created a thread to try and derail it word by word hoping to relieve some frustration from having to stand there and take it for 80 minutes

People from st Helen's are so STUPID ! icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: Sibbs Rhinos "Are you sure that's your real opinion, or are you just bitter you've never made the GF. It's funny how after you win something you're opinion will change. Much like I'm sure most Wire fans will only have defended the league leaders shield after they won it, but before it i doubt many of you will have voiced much of an opinion about it. You've pretty much contradicted yourself here.'"


Could be. I make it perfectly clear and lay my cards on the table.

My dirty little secret is, due to holidays and prior engagements, I haven't seen Warrington play at Wembley. I haven't been to either Wembley nor OT. But, I would rather this year wire get to Wembley again, than OT.

Maybe my view will change next year if we make OT this year. I am very aware of the status of the league (as I think many Warrington fans are) It was good to win that and I think it validated a lot of fans (myself included) but we have done that now and I think our goals should be much bigger.

Maybe there is an argument for my preference of Wembley over OT being one of bitterness towards the Super league competition as w hole. However, I don't feel that is the case, as I still want to get to OT.

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Simple question for Saints fans:- lets compare RECENT trophies.

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Quote: Roddy B " Would I swap our LLS for their GF place? Of course not, but if I was told last season that we'd reach the GF, I'd have been fairly chuffed and would have viewed that season as a success.'"


Agree entirely mate, as that would be a sign of our progress. But if you were to then tell me that we would lose the next 4 grand finals after that in a row I would probably slit my wrists.

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As you are either drunk or mentally deficient I will answer what I can (the rest appears to be a rambling rant)
Quote: Back Row Singer "I thought you lot more than anyone would have worked out by now that the Super League is a knock out competition that starts in September. Yes, the LLS is a fantastic achievement but unforunately (for you last season) the Grand Final is the sport's major showpiece event. All the media-hype surrounding it, the title of 'Super League Champions', it is the big one. So for those who tried to argue that last year was 'your year' by winning the LLS, sorry, it wasn't. Prime examples, who were the SL Champions in 2007 and 2008? Saints won the LLS on both occassions.'"


Waffle and has no relevance to either the initial query regarding the chant, nor the sub-discussion over whether Saints have declined. SCRAP IT! You make yourself sound moronic.

Quote: Back Row Singer "The amount of hype surrounding Warrington's GF chances around March time over the past 3 or so seasons is incredible. Some by supporters, mostly by the media. But the fact that the expectation levels are so high, so early in the season, makes you open to the p-taking by opposition fans when you mess it all up when it counts.'"


So you are chanting at opposition fans because of what 'impartial' pundits say in March? and you are expecting to be taken seriously with that? Pick a target and stick to it. Either you are chanting at the majority of fans or you are chanting at SKY. Make your fooking mind up!


Quote: Back Row Singer "The chant last night was bang on, and the OP knows it, which is why they have created a thread to try and derail it word by word hoping to relieve some frustration from having to stand there and take it for 80 minutes arwww the Pièce de résistance of your painfully stupid argument; I will answer as best I can (I was originally going to ignore this as well as the opening paragraph)

I was simply asking a question that many Sts fans have ATTEMPTED to answer (with none providing a definitive answer) Furthermore, you also haven't answered the question (I wouldn't expect you to though- the chant is asinine) and instead have taken a very defensive stance that has attacked many, once cock-sure, saints' fans. Furthermore, as I state in my opening gambit (which is entirely honest) I had received a phone call after 7 o'clock today telling me it was being chanted last night (Alas, I didn't hear you). St Helens were as quiet as a mouse yesterday. The Wigan fans from last season out sung you and they were being trounced. Sorry.

Just as a reference. I stand at the 40 metre line in the south stand about 2 barriers up. Also, I am always there and I am sure someone here would be able to find me in the crowd.

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Quote: thelazywolf "But if you were to then tell me that we would lose the next 4 grand finals after that in a row I would probably slit my wrists.'"


It doesn't work like that though does it?

At the start of the season, all the top sides aim to win the Grand Final. You never know what will happen the following year.

The fact that we lost 3 in a row, and got there again.. lost 4 in a row, and got there again etc..
shows real desire and bravery.

I actually want a cup run this year and a break from Old Trafford, we need a clean slate. But still, to keep getting back there year after year despite the losing streak, is a phenominal achievement that should not be underestimated.

Especially when you consider it's always your year icon_lol.gif

It's always your year
It's always your yeeaaarr..
Just like the last one
It's always your year

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Quote: Sibbs Rhinos "Are you sure that's your real opinion, or are you just bitter you've never made the GF. It's funny how after you win something you're opinion will change. Much like I'm sure most Wire fans will only have defended the league leaders shield after they won it, but before it i doubt many of you will have voiced much of an opinion about it. You've pretty much contradicted yourself here.'"


I defended the LLS but it's nothing to do with never winning the GF. I defended it because I'm a football fan first and my natural tendency is to view the league as the great achievement; I can't understand how any sport can view a short, domestic K.O. competition, as a greater achievement than winning a competition decided over 27 rounds of home and away games between all of the sides. I'm not saying the GF should be disregarded - Leeds' finish was stunning last season - but greater than finishing top of the pile after 27 rounds? Nah.

As a Wire fan, I'd like to see us win the GF and I'd be stupendously proud if we did, but I wouldn't go around rubbing it in the face of other clubs claiming they're crap or that 27 rounds of brilliance means nothing if you can't win three on the bounce at the season's end. It's the nature of sport fans to knock the achievements of others and big up the achievements of their own, but it seems to be something done by RL fans universally in their knocking of the LLS. For me, Leeds winning the GF was no greater an achievement than Wigan winning the CC, but Leeds will be claimed the 'Super League Champions', when really, they should be the Grand Final Winners.

By the way, there's no bitterness involved, I just find it mad how the hardest achievement seems to be viewed as a nothing achievement, yet we all buy season tickets to see our team play in that competition and hope the team wins every game in that competition. It's just weird.

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Quote: "
This pretty much sums up the level of frustration and bitterness expressed in your posts
I have to ask, did you come up with the chant?

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Also, Back Row Singer, wise move on not using your brain to challenge what I wrote. You don't want people knowing you're an idiot for sure, do you?

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     National Rugby League 2024-R22
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NZ Warriors
20-30
Parramatta
11:00
Dolphins
v
Sydney
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R20
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 TOMORROW
     National Rugby League 2024-R22
06:00
Gold Coast
v
Brisbane
08:30
Melbourne
v
St.George
10:35
Cronulla
v
Souths
     Womens Super League 2024-R10
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
LeedsW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R20
15:00
Hull FC
v
St.Helens
       Championship 2024-R20
15:00
Swinton
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R20
17:30
Salford
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R22
05:00
Penrith
v
Newcastle
07:05
Canterbury
v
Canberra
     Womens Super League 2024-R10
12:00
BarrowW
v
St.HelensW
12:00
Wire W
v
York V
12:00
WiganW
v
Hudds W
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R20
15:00
LondonB
v
Catalans
       League One 2024-R18
15:00
Keighley
v
Newcastle
15:00
Oldham
v
Midlands
15:00
Rochdale
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Crusaders
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Matches on TV
Fri 2nd Aug
SL
20:00
Warrington-Hull KR
Sat 3rd Aug
SL
15:00
Hull FC-St.Helens
SL
17:30
Salford-Leeds
Sun 4th Aug
SL
15:00
LondonB-Catalans
Thu 8th Aug
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Salford
Fri 9th Aug
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
Sat 10th Aug
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wigan
Sun 11th Aug
SL
15:00
Leigh-Hull FC
SL
15:00
LondonB-Warrington
Sat 17th Aug
SL
19:30
Warrington-Leeds
SL
17:00
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
14:30
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:30
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:00
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:30
Huddersfield-Castleford
Fri 23rd Aug
SL
20:00
Castleford-Warrington
SL
20:00
Leeds-Catalans
Sat 24th Aug
SL
15:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
SL
14:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 2nd Aug
NRL
LIVE
NZ Warriors20-30Parramatta
Thu 1st Aug
SL 20 Castleford10-20Leigh
SL 20 Wigan26-14Huddersfield
NRL 22 Wests30-48NQL Cowboys
Sun 28th Jul
NRL 21 St.George10-46Penrith
NRL 21 Dolphins14-21Gold Coast
NRL 21 Canberra32-12Souths
CH 19 Batley16-22Halifax
CH 19 Doncaster37-30Barrow
CH 19 Sheffield78-24Whitehaven
CH 19 Wakefield46-18Featherstone
CH 19 Widnes25-6Bradford
CH 19 York34-4Swinton
L1 17 Newcastle34-44Cornwall
L1 17 Hunslet24-32Workington
L1 17 Keighley36-12Midlands
L1 17 Rochdale10-14Oldham
Sat 27th Jul
SL 19 Salford30-22Castleford
SL 19 Catalans24-16Hull FC
NRL 21 Brisbane16-41Canterbury
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 19 495 258 237 30
Warrington 19 498 245 253 28
Hull KR 19 481 255 226 28
Catalans 19 366 274 92 24
Salford 19 355 366 -11 24
St.Helens 19 455 256 199 22
 
Leeds 19 355 342 13 20
Leigh 19 392 286 106 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 19 268 566 -298 6
LondonB 19 198 725 -527 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 17 584 206 378 32
Sheffield 17 488 283 205 24
Toulouse 16 468 220 248 23
Widnes 17 410 307 103 21
Bradford 17 397 297 100 21
Doncaster 17 318 410 -92 17
 
York 18 428 345 83 16
Featherstone 17 440 359 81 16
Batley 17 284 366 -82 16
Swinton 17 342 422 -80 12
Halifax 17 318 459 -141 12
Barrow 16 255 458 -203 12
Whitehaven 17 336 556 -220 12
Dewsbury 18 224 560 -336 2
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