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Quote: 1905 "The thing I couldn't understand about that song was that they started singing it when they went 18-0 up and it was apparent we were going to lose. This would imply they felt that by losing to them this signalled the end of our season. ‘It’s always your year, It’s always your year, just like the last one, It’s always your year’ the words would imply that they think this is not going to be our year because we were going to get beaten by them. It can’t refer to our poor record against them as, ‘just like the last one’ wouldn’t make any sense as we beat them twice last year.

I actually think it would be a good song to sing if we were to get beaten by them in a playoff game. But I don’t understand them singing it during a league match in March. Last night’s game will have no bearing on whether this year will be our year or not, and for that reason it makes no sense at all. It actually makes them sound a bit stupid.'"


That's it. I can't find a solid argument for what they could be singing about. Nothing makes any sense and makes them sound deluded, pompous and/or stupid

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Quote: jdrocket "That's it. I can't find a solid argument for what they could be singing about. Nothing makes any sense and makes them sound deluded, pompous and/or stupid'"


Atleast they have learnt a new song. Ahead of Wigan now by 2 songs to 1

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Quote: jdrocket "Very amusing, indeed. I welcome all opinions, as long as there is a crumb of a fact to support it. If you don't think saints have declined since 2006, you need your head felt, IMO (if it was a not-so-subtle dig at me, I would like to inform you that my reasoning was that Saints haven't won anything since 2008- compounded by there steady decline in trophies since 2006. And was not a reference to their GF failings- there could be an excuse made for CC fatigue or a hard fought LLS but Saints don't have that and didn't need it in 2006)

But, more to the point, if they are crowing about merely reaching a grand final, what does that say for the aims of St Helens rugby? Are they happy to go every year without winning atrophy as long as their fans get a day out at Old Trafford but cry on the way home? Thnat is very strange.'"


Of course Saints have declined, but there's little wrong in viewing a GF as a success, even if it isn't won. There are only two finals to be played in, there's very little between the sides at the top, so if you're consistently reaching one of the finals - arguably the final viewed as the biggest - then you can't really complain too much. Their fans and club have to be realistic about where they are now, they don't have the British RL greats like they have had over the past ten years or so, but they're still a good side and they're still competing with the very best. I don't think a 'win' can be expected from any club when the difference between the top sides is so small, but being there and competing is always the expectation, something Saints have consistently achieved in SL, and something we could only dream of. Would I swap our LLS for their GF place? Of course not, but if I was told last season that we'd reach the GF, I'd have been fairly chuffed and would have viewed that season as a success.

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Quote: Roddy B "Of course Saints have declined, but there's little wrong in viewing a GF as a success, even if it isn't won. There are only two finals to be played in, there's very little between the sides at the top, so if you're consistently reaching one of the finals - arguably the final viewed as the biggest - then you can't really complain too much. Their fans and club have to be realistic about where they are now, they don't have the British RL greats like they have had over the past ten years or so, but they're still a good side and they're still competing with the very best. I don't think a 'win' can be expected from any club when the difference between the top sides is so small, but being there and competing is always the expectation, something Saints have consistently achieved in SL, and something we could only dream of. Would I swap our LLS for their GF place? Of course not, but if I was told last season that we'd reach the GF, I'd have been fairly chuffed and would have viewed that season as a success.'"


That is a fair assessment and something I have been heralding since Saints' losing streak started. Saints are/were in decline but it does not mean they are a bad side. They have still had our number since their peak in 2006. Saints have historically had a knack for two things; one is beating teams in the final minutes and the other is getting to grand finals and in 96, 97, 02 and 06 (dates may be wrong and I have no doubt I've missed some. I forget when they won) there was a nice win to appearance ratio. However, since then that ratio has shot down.

Having never gotten to a GF, watching Wire I don't know how it would feel, but I'd hate to lose so many on the bounce. Although it isn't something I would proclaim, there is a notion to suggest that as of late Saints are SL's biggest bottlers.

Would I like to get to OT this year? Yes. Would I rather get there than win another LLS? Maybe. However, I think that is as far as I'd go. A day at Wembley is as good/better than OT in my eyes and a trophy of any kind is better than an appearance in the GF. However, deep down I want to experience OT, not so much that I want my heart broken 5 years on the bounce though.

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I thought you lot more than anyone would have worked out by now that the Super League is a knock out competition that starts in September. Yes, the LLS is a fantastic achievement but unforunately (for you last season) the Grand Final is the sport's major showpiece event. All the media-hype surrounding it, the title of 'Super League Champions', it is the big one. So for those who tried to argue that last year was 'your year' by winning the LLS, sorry, it wasn't. Prime examples, who were the SL Champions in 2007 and 2008? Saints won the LLS on both occassions.

The amount of hype surrounding Warrington's GF chances around March time over the past 3 or so seasons is incredible. Some by supporters, mostly by the media. But the fact that the expectation levels are so high, so early in the season, makes you open to the p-taking by opposition fans when you mess it all up when it counts.

The chant last night was bang on, and the OP knows it, which is why they have created a thread to try and derail it word by word hoping to relieve some frustration from having to stand there and take it for 80 minutes icon_wink.gif
Maybe the OP was one of those towards the Western end of the South Stand, frothing at the mouth? I don't think it was intended as bait, just a bit of banter, but boy it didn't half rile some icon_lol.gif

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Quote: jdrocket "

Having never gotten to a GF, watching Wire I don't know how it would feel, but I'd hate to lose so many on the bounce. Although it isn't something I would proclaim, there is a notion to suggest that as of late Saints are SL's biggest bottlers.

Would I like to get to OT this year? Yes. Would I rather get there than win another LLS? Maybe. However, I think that is as far as I'd go. A day at Wembley is as good/better than OT in my eyes and a trophy of any kind is better than an appearance in the GF. However, deep down I want to experience OT, not so much that I want my heart broken 5 years on the bounce though.'"


Are you sure that's your real opinion, or are you just bitter you've never made the GF. It's funny how after you win something you're opinion will change. Much like I'm sure most Wire fans will only have defended the league leaders shield after they won it, but before it i doubt many of you will have voiced much of an opinion about it. You've pretty much contradicted yourself here.

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Quote: Back Row Singer "I thought you lot more than anyone would have worked out by now that the Super League is a knock out competition that starts in September. Yes, the LLS is a fantastic achievement but unforunately (for you last season) the Grand Final is the sport's major showpiece event. All the media-hype surrounding it, the title of 'Super League Champions', it is the big one. So for those who tried to argue that last year was 'your year' by winning the LLS, sorry, it wasn't. Prime examples, who were the SL Champions in 2007 and 2008? Saints won the LLS on both occassions.

The amount of hype surrounding Warrington's GF chances around March time over the past 3 or so seasons is incredible. Some by supporters, mostly by the media. But the fact that the expectation levels are so high, so early in the season, makes you open to the p-taking by opposition fans when you mess it all up when it counts.



The chant last night was bang on, and the OP knows it, which is why they have created a thread to try and derail it word by word hoping to relieve some frustration from having to stand there and take it for 80 minutes

People from st Helen's are so STUPID ! icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: Sibbs Rhinos "Are you sure that's your real opinion, or are you just bitter you've never made the GF. It's funny how after you win something you're opinion will change. Much like I'm sure most Wire fans will only have defended the league leaders shield after they won it, but before it i doubt many of you will have voiced much of an opinion about it. You've pretty much contradicted yourself here.'"


Could be. I make it perfectly clear and lay my cards on the table.

My dirty little secret is, due to holidays and prior engagements, I haven't seen Warrington play at Wembley. I haven't been to either Wembley nor OT. But, I would rather this year wire get to Wembley again, than OT.

Maybe my view will change next year if we make OT this year. I am very aware of the status of the league (as I think many Warrington fans are) It was good to win that and I think it validated a lot of fans (myself included) but we have done that now and I think our goals should be much bigger.

Maybe there is an argument for my preference of Wembley over OT being one of bitterness towards the Super league competition as w hole. However, I don't feel that is the case, as I still want to get to OT.

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Simple question for Saints fans:- lets compare RECENT trophies.

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Quote: Roddy B " Would I swap our LLS for their GF place? Of course not, but if I was told last season that we'd reach the GF, I'd have been fairly chuffed and would have viewed that season as a success.'"


Agree entirely mate, as that would be a sign of our progress. But if you were to then tell me that we would lose the next 4 grand finals after that in a row I would probably slit my wrists.

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As you are either drunk or mentally deficient I will answer what I can (the rest appears to be a rambling rant)
Quote: Back Row Singer "I thought you lot more than anyone would have worked out by now that the Super League is a knock out competition that starts in September. Yes, the LLS is a fantastic achievement but unforunately (for you last season) the Grand Final is the sport's major showpiece event. All the media-hype surrounding it, the title of 'Super League Champions', it is the big one. So for those who tried to argue that last year was 'your year' by winning the LLS, sorry, it wasn't. Prime examples, who were the SL Champions in 2007 and 2008? Saints won the LLS on both occassions.'"


Waffle and has no relevance to either the initial query regarding the chant, nor the sub-discussion over whether Saints have declined. SCRAP IT! You make yourself sound moronic.

Quote: Back Row Singer "The amount of hype surrounding Warrington's GF chances around March time over the past 3 or so seasons is incredible. Some by supporters, mostly by the media. But the fact that the expectation levels are so high, so early in the season, makes you open to the p-taking by opposition fans when you mess it all up when it counts.'"


So you are chanting at opposition fans because of what 'impartial' pundits say in March? and you are expecting to be taken seriously with that? Pick a target and stick to it. Either you are chanting at the majority of fans or you are chanting at SKY. Make your fooking mind up!


Quote: Back Row Singer "The chant last night was bang on, and the OP knows it, which is why they have created a thread to try and derail it word by word hoping to relieve some frustration from having to stand there and take it for 80 minutes arwww the Pièce de résistance of your painfully stupid argument; I will answer as best I can (I was originally going to ignore this as well as the opening paragraph)

I was simply asking a question that many Sts fans have ATTEMPTED to answer (with none providing a definitive answer) Furthermore, you also haven't answered the question (I wouldn't expect you to though- the chant is asinine) and instead have taken a very defensive stance that has attacked many, once cock-sure, saints' fans. Furthermore, as I state in my opening gambit (which is entirely honest) I had received a phone call after 7 o'clock today telling me it was being chanted last night (Alas, I didn't hear you). St Helens were as quiet as a mouse yesterday. The Wigan fans from last season out sung you and they were being trounced. Sorry.

Just as a reference. I stand at the 40 metre line in the south stand about 2 barriers up. Also, I am always there and I am sure someone here would be able to find me in the crowd.

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Quote: thelazywolf "But if you were to then tell me that we would lose the next 4 grand finals after that in a row I would probably slit my wrists.'"


It doesn't work like that though does it?

At the start of the season, all the top sides aim to win the Grand Final. You never know what will happen the following year.

The fact that we lost 3 in a row, and got there again.. lost 4 in a row, and got there again etc..
shows real desire and bravery.

I actually want a cup run this year and a break from Old Trafford, we need a clean slate. But still, to keep getting back there year after year despite the losing streak, is a phenominal achievement that should not be underestimated.

Especially when you consider it's always your year icon_lol.gif

It's always your year
It's always your yeeaaarr..
Just like the last one
It's always your year

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Quote: Sibbs Rhinos "Are you sure that's your real opinion, or are you just bitter you've never made the GF. It's funny how after you win something you're opinion will change. Much like I'm sure most Wire fans will only have defended the league leaders shield after they won it, but before it i doubt many of you will have voiced much of an opinion about it. You've pretty much contradicted yourself here.'"


I defended the LLS but it's nothing to do with never winning the GF. I defended it because I'm a football fan first and my natural tendency is to view the league as the great achievement; I can't understand how any sport can view a short, domestic K.O. competition, as a greater achievement than winning a competition decided over 27 rounds of home and away games between all of the sides. I'm not saying the GF should be disregarded - Leeds' finish was stunning last season - but greater than finishing top of the pile after 27 rounds? Nah.

As a Wire fan, I'd like to see us win the GF and I'd be stupendously proud if we did, but I wouldn't go around rubbing it in the face of other clubs claiming they're crap or that 27 rounds of brilliance means nothing if you can't win three on the bounce at the season's end. It's the nature of sport fans to knock the achievements of others and big up the achievements of their own, but it seems to be something done by RL fans universally in their knocking of the LLS. For me, Leeds winning the GF was no greater an achievement than Wigan winning the CC, but Leeds will be claimed the 'Super League Champions', when really, they should be the Grand Final Winners.

By the way, there's no bitterness involved, I just find it mad how the hardest achievement seems to be viewed as a nothing achievement, yet we all buy season tickets to see our team play in that competition and hope the team wins every game in that competition. It's just weird.

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Quote: "
This pretty much sums up the level of frustration and bitterness expressed in your posts
I have to ask, did you come up with the chant?

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Also, Back Row Singer, wise move on not using your brain to challenge what I wrote. You don't want people knowing you're an idiot for sure, do you?

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Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
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Hull KR-Castleford
SL
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Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
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15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
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Sun 16th Feb
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Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
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Fri 21st Feb
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Hull FC-Wigan
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SL
20:00
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Sun 23rd Feb
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Thu 6th Mar
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Hull FC-Leigh
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This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
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Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
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