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| Quote: lefty goldblatt "The RFL have tried and tried again with the London experiment, and bar the early Fulham days (and the early SL days), it's not worked. Don't ask me why. They've had different sites to build the support on, and they've moved within a couple of years of being at each venue. They had a decent side when SL started. They've managed to attract NRL names, they've had immunity from relegation, and umpteen £'s thrown at them.....the cockneys (as a whole) aren't interested in our game.
I'm sure we'll be having this discussion in 10 and then another 10 years time. It's time for the RFL to bite the bullet, and make a decision, before the lack of crowds makes it for them.
P.S. jdrocket. Why do you have a picture of the rock world's greatest drummer as an avatar. You seem a little too young to be appreciating a dinosaur band
I 've got his keyboard playing mate as mine.
All we need is for Matt King's Cat to get a picture of Mr Rutherford, and we're sorted'"
Done Lefty. Wonder if he's still got that doubleneck?
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| Geordie is better...
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| from a slightly different genre i'd put forward igor cavalera.
on a slightly guilty pleasure, youtube for a bloke called steve moore, or 'drummer at wrong gig'
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| I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.
Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.
Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
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| Quote: Disgruntledgoat "I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.
Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.
Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.'"
Growing up in the 70's the prog rock bands were massively popular but times change and by 78/79 prog was on the way out. The bands that didn't change their style slowly disappered but Genesis changed into an extremely successful pop/rock band and while still churning out hits could still hark back to some of their previous style.
To me their finest work was during the Gabriel/Hackett years but they gained a much bigger audience after they had gone.
Little to choose between drummers, all the ones mentioned are/were fine musicians but Collins' relaxed style did suit Genesis' music perfectly. He was very popular with other artist playing on albums for many others including tours with Clapton and the late great John Martyn.
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| Quote: latchfordbob "I can never get comparing drummers. How can you say one is better than another. Nearly all drummers of established bands are tight on timing, so what makes one stand out over another? more complex drumming patterns?
My favourite drummers are Keith Moon, Reni & Matt Helders. Mainly due to their effortless style and that they are in three of my favourite bands.'"
It is very subjective. You highlight one of my other favourite drummers, I do judge them onhow dominant they are which tends to dismiss the likes of Collins due to his more percussive, background style.
The likes of Bonham was so pivotal to the sound of Led Zep, it could be argued that his was the dominant instrument. To be able to play at that speed, so loudly, yet so sweetly, puts him at the top of the tree. Reni is very similiar, but not so much at the forefront, his is certianly the dominant instrument at maintaining tempo, though.
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| Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "from a slightly different genre i'd put forward igor cavalera.'"
One is particular fan of Igor... The drumming on Chaos AD and Arise in particular... and my favourite song 'dead embryonic cells' has some amazing drumming..... certainly better than phil collins anyway.
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| Very biased opinion, purely for my love of Tower of Power, but David Garibaldi is amazing at what he does, and has done for so long.
Underrated main stream drummer is Chad Smith, I'd put him up there with Barker and Jordison in terms of modern drummers who define their genre.
Best YT vid, got to be either Neil Peart or the Tony Royster Jr one, that one I just watched over and over again when I was starting playing with a wide open mouth in awe each time!
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| Quote: jdrocket "I think you have answered the why (Although, the beard is pretty impressive too)
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I'm, actually, a bit of a fan of pre-A Trick of The Tail Genesis (or I prefer those albums). In fact, I was listening to 'Selling England by the Pound' on my way to uni this afternoon.
I am very aware of the fact you haven't mentioned Gabriel.'"
Fair play to you, young man. SEBTP, is one of the finest albums ever, but still a long way behind The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.
Gabriel = quality. Saw him live on the 1987 So tour. If you want a Gabriel album to listen to, I recommend his 1980 third album "Melt"....genius all the way through, until to the last track, the Godawful, Biko. What a way to ruin a fantastic album.
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "HELLO! John Bonham?'"
I never really got Bonham.
Yes, a very good drummer, but I just found his drumming TOO loud, and over produced on the records.
Death is always a good promoter of legend.
A few of my favs
Collins
Chester Thompson (Genesis live)
Neil Peart
Keith Moon
p.s. very underrated
Charlie Watts. A great sound from such a small kit
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| Quote: matt king's cat "Done Lefty. Wonder if he's still got that doubleneck?'"
Quality.
He used a different doubleneck for the last tour.
P.S. How did the Hackett gig go, the other week? That album of his last year, is top notch.
PPS disgruntledgoat is pulling our plonkers. It's a quote from American Psycho (I think)
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| nicko mcbrain got to be up there with the elite drummers , listen to him drum in the track run to the hills by iron maiden , excellent
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| Quote: lefty goldblatt "Fair play to you, young man. SEBTP, is one of the finest albums ever, but still a long way behind The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.
Gabriel
I actually got 'Melt' before I got any Genesis stuff (and before scratch and car). I think I may have been a bit put off by Phil Collins' later solo stuff (or bought into the image of him being an annoying weirdo). But yeah, 8th July 2009, I got that album and listened to it religiously. Was one of those important purchases. I have listened to it more than any of the Genesis stuff and the other Gabriel albums. I have to agree with you too about it being close to perfection (or 'genius', as you say) and Bilko being the weakness. It isn't exactly unlistenable but it meanders a great deal and doesn't really fit in with the tone of the album. But the first side(on the vinyl) is just a series of great tracks, bookmarked by my favourites on the album ('Intruder' and 'Through the Wire')
What is your view on' Foxtrot'? I can see the improvement on 'Nursery Cryme' and I am personally a massive fan (Get 'em out by Friday' and 'Supper's Ready' are close to audio nirvana) but it isn't the completed article.
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