Done Lefty. Wonder if he's still got that doubleneck?

Geordie is better...

from a slightly different genre i'd put forward igor cavalera.

on a slightly guilty pleasure, youtube for a bloke called steve moore, or 'drummer at wrong gig'

I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, uh, Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.

Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.

Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.

Growing up in the 70's the prog rock bands were massively popular but times change and by 78/79 prog was on the way out. The bands that didn't change their style slowly disappered but Genesis changed into an extremely successful pop/rock band and while still churning out hits could still hark back to some of their previous style.
To me their finest work was during the Gabriel/Hackett years but they gained a much bigger audience after they had gone.
Little to choose between drummers, all the ones mentioned are/were fine musicians but Collins' relaxed style did suit Genesis' music perfectly. He was very popular with other artist playing on albums for many others including tours with Clapton and the late great John Martyn.

It is very subjective. You highlight one of my other favourite drummers, I do judge them onhow dominant they are which tends to dismiss the likes of Collins due to his more percussive, background style.

The likes of Bonham was so pivotal to the sound of Led Zep, it could be argued that his was the dominant instrument. To be able to play at that speed, so loudly, yet so sweetly, puts him at the top of the tree. Reni is very similiar, but not so much at the forefront, his is certianly the dominant instrument at maintaining tempo, though.

One is particular fan of Igor... The drumming on Chaos AD and Arise in particular... and my favourite song 'dead embryonic cells' has some amazing drumming..... certainly better than phil collins anyway.

Very biased opinion, purely for my love of Tower of Power, but David Garibaldi is amazing at what he does, and has done for so long.

Underrated main stream drummer is Chad Smith, I'd put him up there with Barker and Jordison in terms of modern drummers who define their genre.

Best YT vid, got to be either Neil Peart or the Tony Royster Jr one, that one I just watched over and over again when I was starting playing with a wide open mouth in awe each time!

Fair play to you, young man. SEBTP, is one of the finest albums ever, but still a long way behind The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.

Gabriel = quality. Saw him live on the 1987 So tour. If you want a Gabriel album to listen to, I recommend his 1980 third album "Melt"....genius all the way through, until to the last track, the Godawful, Biko. What a way to ruin a fantastic album.

I never really got Bonham.
Yes, a very good drummer, but I just found his drumming TOO loud, and over produced on the records.
Death is always a good promoter of legend.

A few of my favs

Collins
Chester Thompson (Genesis live)
Neil Peart
Keith Moon

p.s. very underrated
Charlie Watts. A great sound from such a small kit

Quality.

He used a different doubleneck for the last tour.

P.S. How did the Hackett gig go, the other week? That album of his last year, is top notch.

PPS disgruntledgoat is pulling our plonkers. It's a quote from American Psycho (I think)

nicko mcbrain got to be up there with the elite drummers , listen to him drum in the track run to the hills by iron maiden , excellent

Joey Jordison

www.totaldrumsets.com/best-rock-drummers-2.html you guys really don't know what you're talking about, the no1 on that list is widely believed to be the best!

www.totaldrumsets.com/best-rock-drummers-2.html you guys really don't know what you're talking about, the no1 on that list is widely believed to be the best!