to be fair im quite a fan of wilkin he is one of those players who puts in all the hard work and never gets noticed for it only this year he has been getting the credit he deserves, he leads that saints team he can play 6,7,11,13 hes a good useful utility player his kicking and tackling is really good ive watched him for a few years now and hes really come of age these last few years saints are not the same team without him and if you watch him he leads everybody around the pitch im sure he will shine in this years 4 nations would love to see him in a wire shirt one day

Yes , Wilkin is class. What i dont understand is how a thread is started about him telling the truth about Bailey has ended up as an assasination about how bad he supposedly is as a rugby league player.

I disagree eith you slightly. I like wilkin as a player. He is class (when he is playing) and never offends me. Wellens's arm waving or graham's dummy spits have been worse recently. Also if we think back to he annoyed anyone (the incestious pies) he waS spot on. Lima has displayed those self same 5hithouse tactics all year and wilkin was proven right.

I am pretty tired, had a busy weekend,

However, the yawn, was in response at the desperation for an influx of Leeds fans to respond to the obvious fish hook minus any decent bait.

Ill neither defend nor berate him in the same way a Wigan fan denies any wrongdoing by Tomkins, a Wire fan would have you believe Briers is an angel or a Saints fan would tell you Sculthorpe was a genuine Saint.

One thing is for certain though,

He gets fans of other clubs wound up to a monumental degree,

but just lately hes got under the skins of a number of players who rightly or wrongly have vented their frustration publicly.

I absolutely cannot stand Ryan Bailey, but the last time he played for GB I thought he did pretty well.

I'm also not against seeing us (England) try and ruffle Australia & NZ, as I'm not sure we are going to tip toe around them. When we battered NZ 3-0 a couple of years ago, Burgess had Moi Moi at it etc, all fired up. I think their eye can be taken of the ball so he may just have a purpose.

As for him personally, nobody will ever convince me he's anything other than a tool.

Bailey is a thug and a coward.
His alleged off field antics only support this.

Our sport doesn't need him.

Got to agree with LG here. Bailey is a first class tool, see his cheap shot on Chris Riley at Wembley for evidence. But Jon Wilkin? Come on, this bloke is a serious whingebag. In fact, wasn't it him who went snitching to the ref about Lima in the first game of the season and demanded he put him on report. If he was so wound up about Bailey, why didn't he do something about it there and then instead of whining about it in a newspaper? Probably because the last time he started on a leeds player, Keith Senior dropped him with one punch.

Bailey is thuggish. But then so are alot of Superleague players.

Coward. "A person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things."

Anyone who plays RL cannot be described as a coward regardless.

Yes, our sport does need him for this exact reason!

What would we be talking about right now? What would Jon Wilkin & Jamie Foster have to whinge about?
He gets under players skins, he puts them off, distracts them, gets penalties,

And as a Leeds fan, hes had his best season yet

Or because he isn't a two bit thug, maybe?

If I recall correctly Wilkin was asking the ref to get control of the game, at MM, because lima was doing several bad tackles and, what do you know, Wilkin was proven right and Lima has been doin those tactics all year and has copped many bans for it.

Can't argue with that, really. Only a wigan fan would (cause they think their team is full of angels)

He might not be a out and out coward but he does have a yellow streak, typical flat-track bully.

Well done to Wilkin i say. Lima's tackling technique at the start of the season was a disgrace. And he has started doing it again at the back end of the season. He did a really bad one on Jonny Lomax in the 65th min of the game at the Stobart and got away with it. Thing is, he knows what hes doing and will keep doing it as long as he keeps getting away with it.

Bailey has had a very good season. I think people's judgements on him are very much clouded by their hatred towards him.
I admit he can be a bit of a tool at times but any incident he is involved in or even in close proximity with he is castigated by totally conflicting and hysterical outbursts. He gets called a coward when he punches people, he gets called a coward if he doesn't punch somebody. The elbow drop on Riley was absolutely ridiculous by the way and i cringed when he did it but he's also handed out a fairshare to big "hard" players aswell.