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| Quote: Wire_85 "Has a player ever been MOS but not in the dream team?'"
Roby and Monaghan are both great players but Monaghan has a problem and its a major one.
Sorry he is not Roby. Roby seems to be the darling of some of the media i would have had Monaghan in as the better of the 2. But Roby got MOS 2-3 years ago when clearly Trent Barrett was the better player.
I do believe he might be the love Child of Stevo 
For legal purposes thats a joke.
If he is not in the dream team i dont think he will get MOS but i might be wrong. Personally i think Sam Tomkins has produced some incredible stuff this season and so has Monaghan. I just hope one of them gets it and not Roby. |
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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Quote: Wire_85 "Has a player ever been MOS but not in the dream team?'"
The MOS is selected from the dream team I think. |
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"Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]: |
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SL coaches have to produce strategies/gameplans to stop the likes of Monaghan, Roby, Tomkins, Chase, Briers, Lomax etc each week. I suspect that if it was they rather than a bunch of journos who came up with the dream team we would see some different faces.
If the players get to vote on their peers for Man Of Steel, then I think the SL coaches should vote the Dream Team.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Leave the club bias out of it and take a look at Roby. It's impossible to leave him out. He is a phenom.
Averaging, thats right averaging, nigh on 200m and 40 tackles a game.'"
To the detriment of Saints at times I imagine... Saints get a roll on, have the opposition disorganised, and instead of swinging the ball out and scoring, Roby darts 10 metres up the pitch and is tackles.
Whereas Monaghan 9 times out of ten will choose the right option, and is a big reason for us amassing so many points this season.
This is the reason the aussies beat us so comfortably, they have player with brains and skills, we just have brawn. |
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| Quote: inside_man "I'd maybe agree he's been the best hooker, but its not without doubt. '"
Yes on 2nd thoughts he has not been the clear best hooker in the Comp and Roby has been great for Saints.
But Monas should have been in the SL Dream team ahead of Roby. |
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| Quote: Saddened! "Leave the club bias out of it and take a look at Roby. It's impossible to leave him out. He is a phenom.
Averaging, thats right averaging, nigh on 200m and 40 tackles a game.'"
Agreed, he's an unreal workhorse, you can't help but see that with the naked eye without the need for statistics. I do think he is a physical freak, a one off.
Only problem is, you could counter-argue that by saying that he's ineffective, or his style doesn't lend itself to making you guys successful, as you've not beaten any of the big sides this year and have found yourselves well off the pace this year, for all of his good work. |
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| Quote: JWP "Agreed, he's an unreal workhorse, you can't help but see that with the naked eye without the need for statistics. I do think he is a physical freak, a one off.
Only problem is, you could counter-argue that by saying that he's ineffective, or his style doesn't lend itself to making you guys successful, as you've not beaten any of the big sides this year and have found yourselves well off the pace this year, for all of his good work.'"
Or you could argue that the fact that we're pretty obviously beneath the top 2 means it's even more impressive? 
I don't agree he's ineffective, he's made breaks in key games for us this season and we've just put the ball down. He doesn't steal plays by going on his own very often either. I'd bet 90% of his metres are made between the 20s. |
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| Quote: Ron "To the detriment of Saints at times I imagine... Saints get a roll on, have the opposition disorganised, and instead of swinging the ball out and scoring, Roby darts 10 metres up the pitch and is tackles.
Whereas Monaghan 9 times out of ten will choose the right option, and is a big reason for us amassing so many points this season.
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Ron you make a good point here. |
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"Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]: |
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Regarding Roby and Monas, both excellent hookers and both deserving of a place in the dream team - shame there can be only one - and further to my message regarding coaches selecting the dream team. It would be interesting to know which player is the greater 'headache' to opposition SL coaches when planning for games against Saints or Wire. I may be biased, but I suspect Monas.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Or you could argue that the fact that we're pretty obviously beneath the top 2 means it's even more impressive? ![]()
I don't necessarily think he's ineffective either in all honesty, quite the opposite as he's a player I fear when we play you guys. I don't think he's somebody that a team can play off, more that you can play off the back of him. It's not just the metres he makes, it's the two plays that follow that hurt you too.
I've no problems with his inclusion as dreamteam hooker. I would always take Monaghan for us and Roby for you guys, especially in recent years when you've gone one out play'tastic.
Roby is perhaps the best athlete in world rugby, if you view him as a forward playing hooker, he's the best there is. If you view Monaghan as a halfback playing hooker, in a creative role he's the best there is without question too. I guess Monas would be the sort of 'hookers hooker', the Stevo's of this world, Lowes etc will appreciate his art.
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26 penalties for Benny  really wish he could get a handle on that part of his game.
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biggest joke ive seen all year haha atkins, king and mike monas have been better than joel this year mike monas best player in the league, king best centre in the league by a huge margin atkins best english centre and probably 2nd best in league that team is unbelievable
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| Quote: Saddened! "Leave the club bias out of it and take a look at Roby. It's impossible to leave him out. He is a phenom.
Averaging, thats right averaging, nigh on 200m and 40 tackles a game.'"
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| Quote: Saddened! "Leave the club bias out of it and take a look at Roby. It's impossible to leave him out. He is a phenom.
Averaging, thats right averaging, nigh on 200m and 40 tackles a game.'"
oh give over |
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| Quote: rawzy! "biggest joke ive seen all year haha atkins, king and mike monas have been better than joel this year mike monas best player in the league, king best centre in the league by a huge margin atkins best english centre and probably 2nd best in league that team is unbelievable'"
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