One of the organisers of the Warrington 'riot' works as a chef at the Toby Carvery on Winwick Road. Can I suggest going in there and warmly congratulating him?

I would be up for a mass congratulating there.

What I think would be an effective, inexpensive way to deal with them is this:

Take them to a distant police station, or other appropriate place.
Tell them to strip off.
Give then a disposable nappy to hide their modesty.
Let them make their own way home, and come back in 3 days to pick up their belongings.

Not sure what the Court of Human Rights will think, but who cares?

A 13 year old was involved setting up a group on Facebook


Absolutley Shocking.

Lazy spongers do nothing more than make my pi55 itch but I think removing benefits will hardly 'cure' them! If anything, it'll encourage rioting on an even bigger scale.

The biggest issue in this country is the lack of respect held by youngsters who also have a complete ignorance of repercussion - simply because, well, there really isn't any today. Now I'm not going to go into detail about spending cuts impacting on the Police Force/Service (whatever the bob the builder hats are called these days ..) because I'm generally not too knowledgeable on this subject. However, it's obvious that there is a substantial issue there as the looting taking place in Manchester ran for a fair while before any Police intervention was made. These little anarchic bell ends had the freedom of the city, almost!

The other major issue is, I look at a copper now, and it hardly strikes the fear of God does it? People are harping on about how GMP officers put in 12 hour stints, showed tremendous courage etc etc etc..... give over! They were hardly confronted by the Mafia in a mass shoot out were they? We're talking predominantly about thousands of teenage chavs here and their smarmy faces and general 'F You' attitude towards the coppers was hardly a suprise to me. Because any consequence they face - if they get caught first and foremost - is nothing more than a smacked ar5e.

This country is progressively losing its sack and has been for a considerable amount of time. And in my opinion, those members of the public who entered into their community to deal with the problems in their own ways, having lost interest in watching mayhem go literally unpunished, should be encouraged every day of the week. All these little morons need is a good kicking, and a moment where they genuinely shat themselves, not ASBO's and therapy.

I sound ridiculously old fashioned here I appreciate, and I'm only 28 myself - but wow - Teenagers [iterrorising[/i city centres?

Pathetic.

I've just found out this bloke was someone I used to teach in a South London comprehensive, about 15 years ago.

Now while I wouldn't have put it past a good few of the nutters I used to 'teach' being involved in all this, what's puzzling me is that this bloke was a well-adjusted, personable young lad at the time. Most odd.

All i know is the Punishments...thats right "PUNISHMENTS" aren't Severe enough and the prisons arent Harsh enough.

the remedy for that isnt exactly rocket science so sort that out and a few of these wannabe gangstas will think twice about recieving a dry bumbing next time around...

.....Yes!....Stick them in a cell with phil clark for a few years.

18 months, 3 days 7.30-Phil Clark "Yu nur tat dirfensiv laan, Wegun technicalli wur moor than fifti-foowa tams bettur thun sint heluns
wur tint naantin-foowati-thri.

How about sticking a highviz jacket on them with "rioter/looter" on the back and make them work in the communities they attacked helping to clean them up.

There's loads of people calling for these 'community sentences' now, making them rebuild the damage etc - do you really think they are going to do that? If you put them on the streets and say rebuild this or do some work they will just laugh in your face and tell you to f off and do more damage. Who's going to make them do it? The police can't control them and the probation service is being cut dramatically so that restricts the courts ability to give out community sentences.

In reality what you will see is a few high profile cases going to prison for a long time, and the police will make sure these are publicised, but the vast majority of the looters will get off with no real punishment because the courts know there is no capacity in the justice system. Even before this, Ken Clarke was trying to cut prison numbers and get people out of the system because the Ministry of Justice got one of the toughest spending deals out of the Treasury.

I blame the teachers.

Or, failing that, Jon Clarke.

no, no, i was going to comment on this thread, go on about the double standards that exist in this country, this board etc. but i'll just bite my tongue.

people should have a good chat with themselves before suggesting bringing the army onto the streets! shooting these "rioters" etc.

no, i couldn't keep it in!

Considering this board represents a team from a historically very working class sport, located in a working class northern town, I regularly find the views expressed to be shockingly right wing.

i agree, it makes me cringe sometimes!