I rate Leuluai quite highly, but as a hooker not a scrum half. Mcllorum is just a distributer, and whilst he's a solid defender, I don't think he's the type to take control of the ruck.

Also the guy who thought Hansen is better than Harrison is a little blinkered. I'd put them on a par at best.

My intial point was them not making the seventeen man squad. They'd probably get a gig at Keighley away or if we had a run of injuries. There are players in our team that wouldn't get into Wigan's. Swings and roundabouts, it isn't against the law to amdit that all of your players aren't world class. Unless you're Saints.

McIlurum is a top hooker, wouldnt call him average. Leuluai a bit over rated IMO. BRING ON TOMMORROW ( and hopefully its beer garden weather for the pre match drinks)

Who would you say were the average players in the Warrington 17?

To be honest, there aren't any
OK, there are some who aren't as good as others, but that's life
Higham isn't the best player in SL, but is still agood SL player
Clarke is at the twilight of his career, but is still more than effective at what he brings to our game (distribution, backing up, tackling)
Grix is far from average
Mitchell is growing in confidence in our set up again, after not getting into our 17 man squad for a while

They are probably the nearest that you'd call our "poorer players" from our 17, but NO WAY, would you call them even average.

Chris Riley
Ryan Atkins
Richie Myler(only 20)
Mickey Higham
Simon Grix
Lee Mitchell
Matty Blythe.

Alot of our players are made to look better by the supporting cast as well. All do a decent job and what is asked of them. Not saying they're bad players.

What this guy said!
When STomkins, Finch, Deacon, Leuluai & McIllorum are all fit, I think we'll find McIllorum dumped to the bench. He's average at best.


More than blinkered, that's just Cherry & S*ite trashtalk!

do me a favour

That's why I didn't disagree with your description of Goulding, for instance, as 'average'.

More comedy genius.

Whilst Carmont's signing at the time could have been questioned he has provied an excellent acquisition and would be a shoe-in in our squad and possibly ahead of Atkins on form. Leuluai would also be a welcome addition to our or any other SL squad (but not on the wages he gets at Wigan).

I purposedly left Rogues' statement on these two (and his reference to McCarthy) out of my quote.

Goulding is average!

That's something I as Wigan fan harped on about all last year. Games we lost were because we were dominated down the middle. Thankfully we've corrected that this year by the signing Hoffman and Lima. Now although we'll be missing Fielden and Joel, two big meter makers for ourselves, Mossop and Prescott have really stepped up this year. We may well lose on Friday night, but I'm pretty confident it won't be down to being beaten by the Wire pack.

I'll have to disagree. You tell me who that Carmont is better than in the top 4 then. I don't deny he has talent but the teams I mentioned do need or want him.

Leuluai is a good hooker. But in the halves is very two dimensional. Again tell me where he is better in either the halves or as hooker.

We have 3 international hookers, Saints have the best British hooker in the world, Leeds have Buderus. HE wouldn't get an offer anywhere in the halves. Seems very average there to me.

You have three ex International hookers in your squad. McIlorum has been selected ahead of your two English hookers for the England squad.

My dad's bigger than your dad.

And my mum's bigger than your dad too.