This year Saints beat us on points difference (rather dodgy try if you ask me!!) and Wigan were not that far ahead. The one area we were VERY bad on in 2011 was goal kicking. If we had a good reliable CONSISTENT kicker we would have been ahead of Saints and possibly challenging if not beating Wigan for top spot. That was how close 2010 was and if we can be that close again next year I'll be happy.

Only when the likes of the Evans brothers step up into Super League will we know what we have.

I don't think our Youth set up is that bad. Riley, Harrison, Cooper are all first teamers now. But overall our squad is a lot less likely to deal with injuries as well as St Helens did.

We have an injury stance as "well we lost to crusaders but we had 5 first teamers out".
St Helens have one of "we don't care who is out injured we'll just have to beat them without our first team players".

If all our old players are more susceptible to injuries how come they never got injuries this year?

Although it is obvious that youngsters are much more capable of playing on through injuries and recovering quickly - see Kyle Eastmond for proof.

As for us standing still whilst Wigan and Saints have progressed recently there are two Challenge Cups that might beg to differ, let alone going from 10th to 3rd but don't let that stop anybody dragging Warrington down whilst bumming up Wigan fans.

Apart from the last post, this is a ludicrous thread. I don't think there is a shred of evidence for the suggestions that we have little strength in depth or that our squad is older than it should be. Wigan did not have an injury crisis this year either.

we're standing still

Is anybody in Wigan aware of this injury crisis?

Makes me laugh this 30 plus comment that keep raising it's head how long as the morleys ,cunninghams, longs, fitzgibbons menzies need i go on etc been in their 30's doesn't matter one jot if your fit your fit end of i've seen 70 year old guys running 7 minute miles in races its all down to the individual how fit they keep them selves personally i think kc could have done at least another year

We've had a lot of injuries at different points this year, fortunately though they haven't been to key personnel like Sam or Richards or Fielden, i.e. the players people notice.

Precisely. We missed Briers, Bridge, Clarke, Carvell for good stretches this year. Others missed here and there. Neither of us had big injury problems this year which is probably why St Helens and Leeds didn't finish as the top 2.

So if Leeds and St Helens don't have the same injury run we'll finish about 4th next year then, yeah? ludicrous thread indeed

what is it with some fans oh i think we will finish fourth? hope TS or any of the players aren't thinking like this. smith said last year werte going for both, next year will be the same as he will make them aim for the top not just fourth!

If you think a 4th place finish for Warrington 'negative' comment then you need your head looking at.

I'll bet you a tenner we won't finish higher than 4th next season.

p.s. you seem to have a huge problem with Warrington fans. Why not love off and support a team who's fans you adore then!!!

You said "is 4th realistically the best we can hope for"

So you're not saying they will finish 4th you are implying that is the BEST to be HOPED for.

Christ when Steve Anderson took over I HOPED we do the double.