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| Quote: The Tinks "Its Been an excellent season for the Wire. without taking anything away from wigan who have done well this year, credit to the coaching staff for turning them around, but what exactly did huddersfield do last year to gain those acolades?
Beaten finalists & Playoffs?'"
In the old days when Saints dominated and won the Challenge Cup and/or the minor premiership and SL, the Man of Steel used to go to whoever had the best season at Saints...Long, Scully, Lyon, Wellens, Roby, Graham. In those days there were always people saying it shouldn't just go to someone from a top team by default, they should look at players at other clubs who have made a big difference to their team having a good season, like Jason Smith or Denis Moran in his London Broncos Days, or Gareth Ellis when Wakefield made the playoffs for the first time. Then when Hodgson gets it people asked what Huddersfield had won....
The idea of Man of Steel these days is is its an award voted for by the players for who they regarded as the player of the season so it reflects who has won the respect of their peers on the field. Hodgson got it because Huddersfield who had previously been a middling team, suddenly became a top 3 side and made a major final, Hodgson made a huge difference to them on the field.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "
The idea of Man of Steel these days is is its an award voted for by the players for who they regarded as the player of the season'"
ooohhhhh.... MOS is the 'player who has had the most impact' not 'player of the season'...... two totally different things apparently.
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| Quote: inside_man "
In the premier league do they take the cups into account when they give out the end of season awards, no. It's a different competition.
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but youve answered your own question really....you say "in the Premier League" do they etc....no of course they dont its a premier league award
Like I didnt expect Roy hodgson to win the Premier League Manager of the Year but quite rightly he was award the League Managers award....
So when did Sky Hijack the Man of Steel award...?
which was won in days before Sky TV by players like Wires own Ken Kelly who won it in 1981 guiding us to runners up spot but also winning the JPS trophy and the Lancashire Cup along the way... so by your methods his two cup wins should be written off and not recognised....?
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| Quote: the flying biscuit "but youve answered your own question really....you say "in the Premier League" do they etc....no of course they dont its a premier league award
Like I didnt expect Roy hodgson to win the Premier League Manager of the Year but quite rightly he was award the League Managers award....
So when did Sky Hijack the Man of Steel award...?
which was won in days before Sky TV by players like Wires own Ken Kelly who won it in 1981 guiding us to runners up spot but also winning the JPS trophy and the Lancashire Cup along the way... so by your methods his two cup wins should be written off and not recognised....?'"
No, but the Man of Steel is for the LEAGUE. Why does what I say mean Ken Kelly shouldn't be recognised for winning two cups? Surely the MoS was for his performances in the league?
I didn't say sky hijacked it either, someone said Sky were ignoring any existance of the cup, but they have nothing to do with the cup at all.
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| Quote: inside_man "No, but the Man of Steel is for the LEAGUE. Why does what I say mean Ken Kelly shouldn't be recognised for winning two cups? Surely the MoS was for his performances in the league?
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No Keith Mumby from the League Champions Bradsford Northern won the First Division player of the Year....Which by its title would suggest THATS for the League.
The Man of Steel as already reeled out "the Most impact on a season"
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| Seriously though, does it matter? I can't see us having this debate if a Wigan player didn't win it. Richards has been birlliant all year and deserved his MOS award, IMO.
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| Yep - Richards for me, and I have to say Maguire deserves it too. He's got the team to finish top with a GF appearance with the same side as Nobby had.
Strangely Nobby could also have won it for his achievements at Crusaders.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "In the old days when Saints dominated and won the Challenge Cup and/or the minor premiership and SL, the Man of Steel used to go to whoever had the best season at Saints...Long, Scully, Lyon, Wellens, Roby, Graham. In those days there were always people saying it shouldn't just go to someone from a top team by default, they should look at players at other clubs who have made a big difference to their team having a good season, like Jason Smith or Denis Moran in his London Broncos Days, or Gareth Ellis when Wakefield made the playoffs for the first time. Then when Hodgson gets it people asked what Huddersfield had won....
The idea of Man of Steel these days is is its an award voted for by the players for who they regarded as the player of the season so it reflects who has won the respect of their peers on the field. Hodgson got it because Huddersfield who had previously been a middling team, suddenly became a top 3 side and made a major final, Hodgson made a huge difference to them on the field.'"
Adrian Vowles won it when at Cas the first year of the play-off system. I remember Shane McNally winning Coach of the Year at Wakey & I think Kelly did for Widnes also. Generally the awards go to the right people & while I disagree that Richards was a man of steel this year, I can't argue with him winning the equivalent of player of the year. Nor can I argue with Maguire or Tomkins or indeed Wigan and their awards.
What is fantastic is that there were so many people who could have won those awards - at Wire, Smith, Morley, Monas, Westwood, Harrison all talked about justifiably as potential award winners; at Saints, Graham, Cunningham, Foster again all in with shouts; Nobby at Crusaders; Cudjoe at Giants; Peacock, McGuire, Clarkson at Leeds all among many others. It is fantastic for RL that there are so many players all performing on a weekly basis at a level where they are genuine contenders at the end of season awards ceremony...
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| Quote: magic piano "Adrian Vowles won it when at Cas the first year of the play-off system. I remember Shane McNally winning Coach of the Year at Wakey & I think Kelly did for Widnes also. Generally the awards go to the right people & while I disagree that Richards was a man of steel this year, I can't argue with him winning the equivalent of player of the year. Nor can I argue with Maguire or Tomkins or indeed Wigan and their awards.
What is fantastic is that there were so many people who could have won those awards - at Wire, Smith, Morley, Monas, Westwood, Harrison all talked about justifiably as potential award winners; at Saints, Graham, Cunningham, Foster again all in with shouts; Nobby at Crusaders; Cudjoe at Giants; Peacock, McGuire, Clarkson at Leeds all among many others. It is fantastic for RL that there are so many players all performing on a weekly basis at a level where they are genuine contenders at the end of season awards ceremony...'"
good post that (except including Cudjoe) didnt Kelly actually win it for missing out on the play offs with newly promoted Widnes ?
how Bizzarre...
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