Probably. Your stadium move saved the club from being where Cas are now. With that platform the clubs has been wonderfully managed and is now putting in place structures and the setup that will see the success under Smith continue long after he's retreated back to the NRL with Parramatta

Saints have been held back by the state of our finances which are a direct result of the state of our ground. It's costly to maintain and about as friendly to families on a Friday night as Afghanistan. If we experience a similar jump in support as Warrington did, the improvement to our finances combined with our investment in young players it could very quickly start looking rosy again for us.

Since Super League began Saints have won 14 trophies, not including the hubcap and been in 20 major finals. Warrington are better statistically I suppose with 1 from 1. We've also had far more time on the front pages of newspapers due to our rock n' roll players.

Not at the moment, but give us a few years & we could be

It's threads like this that sometimes make me embarrassed to be a Wire fan.

I'll have some of what your drinking.

Same haha its not even worth debate

Like the majority on this topic who havent got primrose tinted glasses on say.....YEAH TO RIGHT WE ARE....if only.Were getting there tho and will beat them in the play offs.I know this for a fact coz mistic meg told me

Strangely when you google saints, it says on the description "The official website for the Rugby League Challenge Cup Holders. St Helens RLFC"

How much under the salary cap have Saints been spending?

I'd rather have a small and full trophy cabinet than a large empty one.

If you ignore attendances, honours, fame and the fact Wire can't buy a win against us - it's pretty even.

you must be joking, not in the same league as saints, i carnt believe youve even started this thread, how can you compare warrington to a club as big as sthelens. youve won a challenge cup, you need to have at least 7 years in the top 2 winning grand finals challenge cups leagues and world club challenges when you have done that and as many times as saints have fair enough, but you have had one good year won the challenge cup last year and your comparing warrington to st helens, dont be daft

. . . for one more season, then we're better there too!