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| Quote: Saddened! "Despite the 'live' cap system, the RFL and SL are not professional enough as organisations to ensure that the cap rules are being met.
Fans should regard them more as a 'moral code' and just hope clubs aren't going outside of that. As Melbourne proved (And were only caught as a former employee shopped them) it is incredibly easy to use off the table funding to sign a player. You just have to hope that the clubs recognise that cheating removes any kudos and glory that comes from winning trophies and abide by the rules accordingly, within the spirit of the game. There is however at least one club who have proved that they will go as far as openly cheating in order to avoid relegation and who obviously have no such morality governing them.
Most SL clubs have chairmen and board members who are wealthy in their own right and who have several business ventures. If during discussions the player agrees to be paid as per his official contract, but to them receive another 30% 'off the table' there is no way of catching that. I don't believe for a second the authorities examine the financial records of the players, or their relatives. Nor do I believe the auditors of the companies the third party payments would be coming from would find them sums involved given it's RL we're talking about.
The other chestnut is players receiving gifts such as driveways, kitchens, computers, holidays and cars. All easily done outside of the cap.
I'm 100% positive that there will eventually be a scandal involving salary cap cheating. For example a player releasing an autobiography claiming his wife was paid £200,000 to work in JJB or such.'"
Alot of pure fantasy in that post. I think you'll find it's much harder to "hide" extra payments and gifts than you think it is. Even small things such as a few quid raised by a raffle at a testimonial event get the taxman sniffing, so to think a club could easily hide several hundred thousand pounds is absurd. And I can assure you WWRLFC are not.
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| how can the pie trolls talkabout breaking the salary cap
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| The Wakefield fans never 'give it any large'.
Are Wigan fans worried about lil old Wire?
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| Quote: Morleys Cheekbone "is it me or does rogues chat absolute poop'"
No its not you.
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| Quote: Gotcha "There is a huge difference in player ability and the salaries that Wire have been offering for the last couple of years.
Not that I am suggesting in anyway that your club is over the cap.'"
Why are you the clubs accountant or you just guessing what the players are earning. We have never gone over the salary cap due to staying within the rules unlike other super league teams.
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| Quote: SEB "Alot of pure fantasy in that post. I think you'll find it's much harder to "hide" extra payments and gifts than you think it is. Even small things such as a few quid raised by a raffle at a testimonial event get the taxman sniffing, so to think a club could easily hide several hundred thousand pounds is absurd. And I can assure you WWRLFC are not.'"
It's not fantasy, all of those examples are possible and wouldn't be found unless someone wanted them to. It is not at all hard to 'hide' payments made from third party companies to other third party companies.
It's naive to assume things are tidy and everyone is now whiter than white, just because they say they are.
Does the Melbourne example not ring any alarm bells? That is a far more professional competition, far more strictly examined and they didn't get anywhere near finding them until they were tipped off. I'm not suggesting teams definitely are cheating, but there are more than enough ways they could if they were desperate.
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| Quote: Geordie "Only if you are Wigan and Bradford.
Under the live cap as we are now, it is impossible to go over it.'"
Always makes me laugh when i see that, naivety at its finest. The only thing that is live is the contract that is submitted, quite easy as Storm have proved to break the salary cap in other ways...
Before you get all upset, im not accusing Warrington or anybody of breaking the cap...
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| Quote: Saddened! "It's not fantasy, all of those examples are possible and wouldn't be found unless someone wanted them to. It is not at all hard to 'hide' payments made from third party companies to other third party companies.
It's naive to assume things are tidy and everyone is now whiter than white, just because they say they are.
Does the Melbourne example not ring any alarm bells? That is a far more professional competition, far more strictly examined and they didn't get anywhere near finding them until they were tipped off. I'm not suggesting teams definitely are cheating, but there are more than enough ways they could if they were desperate.'"
Saddened, before you continue to waffle $h!te, do us all a favour, and list the squads of ourselves, Saints, Wigan, Leeds & Hull, and then estimate each individuals salary.
Total each side up and I bet that not one of them is significantly higher or lower than any other.....The Salary Cap accusation aimed at Wire is just jealously, pure and simple, based on the fact that we have a benefactor who is not afraid to spend cash in the transfer market, which, just to clear up, as balls all to do with the cap.
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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "Saddened, before you continue to waffle $h!te, do us all a favour, and list the squads of ourselves, Saints, Wigan, Leeds & Hull, and then estimate each individuals salary.
Total each side up and I bet that not one of them is significantly higher or lower than any other.....The Salary Cap accusation aimed at Wire is just jealously, pure and simple, based on the fact that we have a benefactor who is not afraid to spend cash in the transfer market, which, just to clear up, as balls all to do with the cap.'"
I've not suggested Warrington were over the cap. Just that it's very naive to assume all clubs do behave whiter than white.
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| Quote: Saddened! "I've not suggested Warrington were over the cap. Just that it's very naive to assume all clubs do behave whiter than white.'"
I agree, but why do folk seem convinced that it is Wire breaking the rules and nobody else??
Look at Saints' squad.....The likes of Pryce, Wellens & Cunningham will be earning as much as anybody at Warrington for a start....Throw in your overseas players, who won't be on a pittance, and I'm pretty sure we could make a good case for you lot cheating the rules (again).
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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "I agree, but why do folk seem convinced that it is Wire breaking the rules and nobody else??
Look at Saints' squad.....The likes of Pryce, Wellens & Cunningham will be earning as much as anybody at Warrington for a start....Throw in your overseas players, who won't be on a pittance, and I'm pretty sure we could make a good case for you lot cheating the rules (again).'"
And Graham he will be a top earner at the club no doubt.
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| Quote: 'Hitman' Norvern Soul "We've hardly got a great number of players that would realistically be on top whack to be fair.'"
I personaly think think the cap should be upped , and let these lads who put there body on the line week in week out be paid what they are worth , the career is so short and are one bad tackle away from loseing there income , when you think how much footballers get , it makes me gringe, these lads are warriors , not just in sl but all leagues,some none league footballers are on more money than a lot of pro rugby players , pay the lads what there worth up the cap and let them all have a fair whack !
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| Quote: SEB "Alot of pure fantasy in that post. I think you'll find it's much harder to "hide" extra payments and gifts than you think it is. Even small things such as a few quid raised by a raffle at a testimonial event get the taxman sniffing, so to think a club could easily hide several hundred thousand pounds is absurd. And I can assure you WWRLFC are not.'"
Out of interest, how would this scenario play out.
Matt King is a RL professional player and also a majority shareholder of an Australian Limited company (PTY). Said company company enters into a deal with SJM to provide promotional services for a range of concerts in return for a fee of £80K.
Matt King, in addition to his dividend income (taxed in Aus) from the above also takes a remuneration of £100K due to his UK employment with Warrington Wolves RLFC. This may indeed go through HMRC in the UK.
So long as Matt King accounts for his UK income and Australian income appropriately for tax purposes in each country I cannot, for the life of me, see what grounds the RFL would a) become aware of the SJM deal and b) what law/rule has been broken and c) what powers it would have to punish WWRLFC due to the business dealings of seperate legal entities d) how they would withstand the legal appeal against any possible salary cap punishment.
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| Quote: knockon "I personaly think think the cap should be upped , and let these lads who put there body on the line week in week out be paid what they are worth , the career is so short and are one bad tackle away from loseing there income , when you think how much footballers get , it makes me gringe, these lads are warriors , not just in sl but all leagues,some none league footballers are on more money than a lot of pro rugby players , pay the lads what there worth up the cap and let them all have a fair whack !'"
So are you happy to pay more at the turnstyles and increase your Sky subscription? The money has to come from somewhere and most pro RL clubs run at a loss.
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| Quote: karetaker "
im fed up with seeing our club being mentioned on other forums about this,seems being succesful means your cheating
Not just other forums! Didn't Stevo pass some comment regarding Warrington and the salary cap during the coverage from Edinburgh?
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