They now have more home grown players than quite a few other sides. The junior set up in the South appears to be thriving and both Quins and the Skolars are going to need help for a while yet. The best london promotion that I've seen was the one that Cas did a few years ago. They had sponsored travel to London and as a result there was a gate of over 8000. The game needs a side in London. We cannot carry on as M62 based.

People need to lay off Harlequins. They are doing great things with junior development down there, and the sport needs a presence in the capital.

Yes their crowds should be better, but if anyone should be getting criticised for this matter then Salford would be at the front of the queue.

you can hardly blame them for their crowds. i mean lots of great football teams in London ie; nal, chelsea, spurs etc not to menshion RU, wasps,london irish and of course Quins. RL is hardly no. one chocie of sport down their really isit?

I'm not so sure they should be better though y'know.

I think you're right by the way, junior development etc, they've come on leaps and bounds, and they're reaping the rewards with LMS, Sharp etc.

Back to crowds, you look at that squad, would you buy a season ticket, I wouldn't, It's dull as dishwater. I joked last week that they used to be fun to watch as the Broncos, with Aussies, but they were, Richie Barnett, McLinden, folk of that ilk, they put bums on seats.

It's not so long ago, 2005 I think, under Rea, they operated with Leulaui, Dorn & McLinden as the pivots, with Hopkins, Haumono etc in the pack, they were great to watch on their day, exciting like.

It's a product isn't it, it has to have appeal, I can understand the fans lethargy, we had it on a smaller scale last year, under Lowes, tickets down, vibe downtrodden etc.

Under McDermott, he just seems to sign mediocre backrowers, over & over.

Agree their team won't exactly appeal to new fans, nor have they got any big name ex NRL players to entice the capital's sizeable antipodean community down to the Stoop. Hopefully a couple of London born superstars will emerge, a cockney equivalent of Kyle Eastmond, or maybe an exciting outside back from South London to bring the crowds in. Like you say they are definitely heading in the right direction.

I wasn't trying to criticise their crowds too much, and in answer to your question no I wouldn't buy a season ticket as much for the poor quality of the rugby as the lack of atmosphere when fans only occupy one or two sides of the stadium.IMO they shouldn't really be getting sub 3000 crowds, this would be a minimum for me.

What annoys me is when Quins are unfairly targetted for criticism by some fans, while an M62 'heatland' club escapes a mention most of the time. Salford's crowds are truly abysmal.