Agreed. You can bet that Leeds and Saints begin every season with the aim and belief that they can win trophies, and so should we. If we fall short, so be it, but you've got to think like winners.

Personally, i am made up he said what he did. I am sick and tired of hearing comments like 'we want a home play off tie', we want a top 4 finish', we want to improve on last season's league position' and even 'we want to beat saints' as hopes for the season. We should be aiming to win everything and so should all the other clubs. If people call it arrogant, so what? I call it ambition and self-belief.

Id liken Saints to everton, after a brief spell of success they're still are a long way behind their more successful neighbours.

Saints have had a glorious spell. Rugby league pre-1996 shouldn't be counted as it was played under a different, and illegitimate system.

So the scores in terms of trophies won are currently something like Saints 18, Wigan 2 and Warrington 1.

How does that work? Warrington have the same salary cap as everybody else difference being that's its only fairly recently we have been spending the maximum whilst other clubs have been spending more than the cap.

Prior to Atkins and Myler this close season the only main transfer fees (that I recall) would be for Gleason and Carvell and we got a considerable portion of Gleason's fee back.

So again how have we invested "massively ..... compared to other clubs"?

Thats about to change pal .

Harsh on Saints that as Everton aint had any success since 1995

Has any other club bar Wigan spent anything on transfer fees? You have signed four or five players from other clubs in recent years.

You spent a good few hundred thousand pounds on Atkins and Myler alone. For Super League at the moment those fees are massive. Prior to those you were spending just as much as anyone else for a long time. You would also have bought Sinfield, Graham, Sculthorpe, Sonny Bill Williams, Willie Mason and FuiFui Moi Moi for next season had they not all turned you down.

I'd call the investment at Warrington 'massive' compared to the other clubs, certainly.

I can't believe Leeds got Ellis for nothing especially when we bid a big fee for him.

Didn't Saints pay transfer fees for Gardner and Wilkin and a fee to Parramatta for Jamie Lyon's release?

Wigan paid a massive fee for Fielden, a fee for Flanagan and as mentioned gave us a lot of our Gleason fee back.

I did acknowledge Atkins and Myler but that is this season not the "recent seasons" you referred to. So excluding them where is this massive investment compared to other clubs that Warrington have made?

My definition of 'recent' is more 'recent' than yours it seems. Saints signed Gardner in 2001 and Wilkin in 2002. I was talking of the past two or three years.

It's not 'wrong' to suggest Warrington should be aiming for trophies after the investment they have made.

33 apparantly.

Tesco and Warrington Borough Council will be offended they weren't given a thank you in there somewhere.

Our own infrastructure is going fine, we sign all your best young prospects and our stadium is going to be nicer than yours if we manage to build it without going bust