Yeah i wouldnt want a bin wagon slidding down my road,if the kids are outside.

they should`nt be outside really what if they slip and fall the health and safety brigade would have a field day

Okay smart guy, a little scenario for you:

What if you don't live in your own house and have your own garden and your own wheelie bin for instance? What if you live in a flat, say with three floors at 5 flats each (total of 15 flats for those not good at maths) and only have two dumpsters between you?

Now if these dumpsters are full and for scenario's sake have been for the last week, where would you put these "excess" bin bags? You have no garden, no wheelie bin, the only place to put it is on the floor next to the dumpsters, causing an obstruction and also the possibility of animals rummaging around.

So what would you do about that then?

Our bins are collected Tuesday, so we've had to put up with overflowing bins for the full duration of this snow. But its not just foxes and rats that have been attracted to them. Other forms of scum of the earth were crawling around last night as well. Chavs!

Using their strength and intelligence, these creatures managed to tip over almost every bin left out on our street waiting for them to be collected. The resulting actions left the street looking like we were in Mumbai, or worse St Helens.

Who's whinging?

Read the opening few posts of this thread.....

Claims direct get a phone call.WBC get sued for not gritting the road.

Probably why its sensible that the WBC aren't collecting rubbish...

buy fruit and vegetables, any waste food use for composs. Don't buy processed food with all the fancy wrappers, take tins, plastic and glass to the recycle bins jobs a good un.

The only thing in our bin at the moment is cat litter

Grow your own,but not all food can be put in composs bin.

sling the cat litter on the road or path

You have basically hit the nail on the head that council tax rises are eaten up by pension costs, however it's not the councillors (ie the ones you vote for) who get a pension, it's the senior management of the council (who nobody votes for they just appoint each other) which eats up the council costs, especally their final sector pension schemes.

The papers have been full in recent weeks of stories about how "salaries in the public sector dwarf salaries in the private sector", I bet most public sector workers who are on somewhere between £12k and £22k wonder what they are on about.

However there are a lot of career public sector managers who do very well out of the council tax coffers. Once you have worked your way up to Grade 9 and above in the public sector spine points, you are earning good money and benefiting from good holidays and have a cracking pension scheme, the usual career progression is have a middle management job in one council, then get a slightly higher management in another council, then a slightly higher management in another council. You don't really need to perform well in these jobs, but it's good to do things like "restructures" because then you can put on your CV "i organised a restructure of x and y service" when you apply for your next job. If you move on and the restructure you organised at your last place makes things go tits up, well thats the problem of whoever stepped into your shoes.

If you do well as a public sector manager and by the age of 50 you get a high level job then you just need do that for a few years and then you can go for early retirement and spend the rest of your days drawing a cracking pension skewed up by your hefty final salary, with the council tax payer subsidising your retirement holidays in the Maldives. Also make sure you vote Conservative because you will have a big property and you don't want to be hit by inheritance tax, why should the taxpayer get back a share of what you've rightfully earned from the taxpayer?

Every year council taxes rise because of this interminable final salary pension scheme costing more and more to pay off those at the top end with the high pensions (i must add that the average joe public sector worker has a modest pension). I always reckon people can handle a tax increase if they see an output but you never see any output because services are always being cut or reduced over time, but taxes are always going up over time.

The other reason council taxes are high is because of the amount of people who can and should pay council tax but who avoid it. I know many many ex students who are now working and should pay council tax, but because they have one or two non council tax payers in their property they only put those names down, so the property becomes exempt. Councils are good at the intimidation approach to the elderly and vulnerable people who are a week or so late with their council tax instalment, sending them a letter stating that they could file for a commital to prison order against them etc.....but loads of people find it easy as pie to evade council tax and the council does nothing. Because of this, everybody elses council tax gets a premium put on it to cover for the revenue lost by the dodgers (usually recent ex students who are free riding by having student mates)

if you want to pick out all the cat poo first i will

Good grief Padders, I agree with you, the roads are abysmal and I too haven't seen any gritters or any signs of the roads being treated.