Clarke going wouldn't really hurt us, as has been pointed out he's 3rd choice hooker and the back row is crowded - if he can land a 3yr player / coaching contract it makes good sense for everyone.

Penny on the other hand has the potential to be a great SL winger, and I'd hoped Smith would have kept him for at least 1 more year to see if he can fulfill that potential.

I think you're getting confused ace.

Rhys Williams played for Wales, he's from our academy, bit older, stocky winger, Smyth-esque.

Rhys Evans didn't play I don't think, he was selected in the initial 50 (along with his twin), obviously earmarked as a player with huge potential, for club & country, but I don't think he figured after that. He's only 17 I think.

Words fail me. It's twice I've done that on two seperate threads , I say a player's name in my head then type somebody else. You're right, chief.

Rhys Griffiths (Clive Griffiths' son) played in the game against England with Rhys Williams as his wingman. Easy to get confused.

i hope we don't sign a young welshman called william griffiths or evan griffiths or we'll end up as confused as ray french if that's possible.

Maybe our new prop is Richard Griffiths

IMO if Penny doesn't get his act together then he wont get a new contract...has he got another 1 or 2 years?

JWP's love affair with Penny could be over in the not too distant future unless he is prepared to start following Widnes or Leigh.

As for Hicks surely pre season training starts in the near future so we should know soon whether these rumours are true or not.

I'll be very disappointed if Penny leaves permanently. It wasn't so long ago that "The New Martin Offiah" had us all thrilled with what we'd unearthed.

His confidence was badly affected by a few poor performances but I really hope he gets a bit more time before being consigned to the "not good enough" pile for good.

Hearing some of our fans screaming abuse at him when he desperately needed support sickened me at times last season.

I think he's got 2010 & 2011, so two years left.

What will I do if he does go eh, the love affair over, sniff. I'll probably just spend some time around horses, and whizz the picture off to loadsa' birds.

There's no love affair, I just appreciate his talents. I don't want King on the wing who couldn't outrun Malcolm Alker, I want the exciting kid, with pace to burn, that's all. He's exciting.

Pace is exciting but it needs a brain to coordinate and execute it properly especially when ball handling/timing and positioning is required too.

Unfortunately im not sure Kev has both attributes which is sad cos he is indeed very quick.

Lets hope Sir Tony Smith can work his magic and that Kev turns into the player we all wish he was.

I believe Hicks has sorted his visa problems out,but is carrying a serious hip injury,which will rule him out for most of next season.

I thought there were signs against Harlequins he was on the right page so to speak. If Hicks stays, he'll be gone, dual registered, he needs to be, for him, reserves is no good to him now.

Whatever next...

June 2010...Chris Hicks has recovered from a serious hip injury but will never play for warrington again due to alcohol dependancy and a chronic gambling addiction. Such a shame after he overcame the much publicised visa problems in November 2009.

You just couldn't make it up could you.

i'm sure you would/could

I think Penny may become one of those mini tragedies in the sense that his initial promise (and wow, he seriously burst onto the scene), fizzled out rather annoyingly.

I certainly dont feel as excited about his prospects as I once did. And its a real shame. But I would honestly love for the lad to prove me wrong. I really would.

As for Jon, no comment. Dont want to lock this one.