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Quote: Odemwingie "Tomkins not being in is joke.

Carvell should in in ahead of Westwood.

I only hope he is using this as another warm up match.'"


I agree that Tomkins should have a place.

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Quote: Mini Rogue "At club level, this is "International" where so far Smith has failed miserably.'"


As opposed to our more succesful coaches of th past 20 years? Grow up and stop hating on him cause he's our coach.

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saint mully wrote: It was disappointing to see the numbers leaving after the Lee Smith try when I was coming back in from the toilets, I could hardly get back in scully = god wrote: We have the worst fans in the league. FACT. What we need is the passion Wigan fans have.:3064.gif



Quote: Buc "As opposed to our more succesful coaches of th past 20 years? Grow up and stop hating on him cause he's our coach.'"


He wasn't your coach at the World Cup last year was he? I think England fans had their opinions of him then aswell. This has sweet fa to do with Wire.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Buc "I agree that Tomkins should have a place.'"


I wish Tony Smith would agree.

He is actually a disgrace to our international game. He has lost all my respect. I think even wire fans will admitt this is a huge cockup from your coach.

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Quote: Odemwingie "I wish Tony Smith would agree.

He is actually a disgrace to our international game. He has lost all my respect. I think even wire fans will admitt this is a huge cockup from your coach.'"

no it isn't were playing france for christs sake.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: the tache is back "no it isn't were playing france for christs sake.'"


And the week after we play the greatest australian side for quite sometime. This game is massive, it's the last game before we play the aussies. We should be playing Tomkins and McGuire letting them hit off some partnership before the big one.

Instead Tony Smith has ruined Englands chances like he did at the WC. He should stick to club rugby, he is good with that.

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Quote: Odemwingie "And the week after we play the greatest australian side for quite sometime. This game is massive, it's the last game before we play the aussies. We should be playing Tomkins and McGuire letting them hit off some partnership before the big one.

Instead Tony Smith has ruined Englands chances like he did at the WC. He should stick to club rugby, he is good with that.'"


Stop talking nonsense man for once. IF the performance against France isn't good enough then come back then with your moaning, but until the game has taken place then for God's sake take a hike icon_razz.gif

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Quote: the tache is back "no it isn't were playing france for christs sake.'"


We cant go into the game with an attitude like that.

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saint mully wrote: It was disappointing to see the numbers leaving after the Lee Smith try when I was coming back in from the toilets, I could hardly get back in scully = god wrote: We have the worst fans in the league. FACT. What we need is the passion Wigan fans have.:3064.gif



Quote: WalterWizard "Stop talking nonsense man for once. IF the performance against France isn't good enough then come back then with your moaning, but until the game has taken place then for God's sake take a hike
Sorry, didn't realise he was allowed to have an opinion? Let's all be boring and agree that Smith is the best coach in the world icon_rolleyes.gif

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: WalterWizard "Stop talking nonsense man for once. IF the performance against France isn't good enough then come back then with your moaning, but until the game has taken place then for God's sake take a hike
It is not about the result against France!

The france game is preperation for the biggest game since the WC against the aussies, if we played Tomkins and McGuire in this game then they would be much better off for the game against the aussies, infact the whole team would benefit.

Please someone try and justify this decision. How do I talk nonsense, go on I dare you to justify Smiths decision.

Myler might have a great game and score a few tries but thats not the point, Tomkins did that in the last game when they both played and should be playing in this game as preperation.

Myler selection is simply a perk or signing for wire.

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Quote: Mini Rogue "He wasn't your coach at the World Cup last year was he? I think England fans had their opinions of him then aswell. This has sweet fa to do with Wire.'"


You failed to mention his record in relation to previous coaches? People for years have moaned about youth not being given a chance or coaches going with the same old players, well Che is trying to blood new players. I agree that Tomkins should be in there but Myler had earnt his stripes against the French last time, granted that Myler was awful against the Welsh possibly with him not having played for 3 months.

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Quote: Mini Rogue "At club level, this is "International" where so far Smith has failed miserably.'"


Care to highight the successful ones in the past forty years?

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Quote: Odemwingie "It is not about the result against France!

The france game is preperation for the biggest game since the WC against the aussies, if we played Tomkins and McGuire in this game then they would be much better off for the game against the aussies, infact the whole team would benefit.

Please someone try and justify this decision. How do I talk nonsense, go on I dare you to justify Smiths decision.

Myler might have a great game and score a few tries but thats not the point, Tomkins did that in the last game when they both played and should be playing in this game as preperation.

Myler selection is simply a perk or signing for wire.'"


have you tried ringing the club shop?

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saint mully wrote: It was disappointing to see the numbers leaving after the Lee Smith try when I was coming back in from the toilets, I could hardly get back in scully = god wrote: We have the worst fans in the league. FACT. What we need is the passion Wigan fans have.:3064.gif



Quote: getdownmonkeyman "Care to highight the successful ones in the past forty years?'"


David Waite IMO was heading GB in the right direction, the last coach IMO who made the correct selections based on performances rather than reputation. That was also when we had any realistic chance of winning test series against the Aussies, even though we didn't win any of them we was more closer then than what we are now and alot of the good work was down to him.

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Quote: Mini Rogue "David Waite IMO was heading GB in the right direction, the last coach IMO who made the correct selections based on performances rather than reputation. That was also when we had any realistic chance of winning test series against the Aussies, even though we didn't win any of them we was more closer then than what we are now and alot of the good work was down to him.'"


So the answer to his question was "I cant".

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