Do you feel qualified to comment about the way the pack played for 27 games?

No, but the league table does.

So the league table refelcts the performance of the forwards only? Interesting......

Rule of thumb.......usually the packs decide who wins the game......backs decide by how many!

So do you honestly think we have the 10th best pack?

I dont, but we have very very ordinary backs and lack penetration at the line.
I dont buy that 'warrington are an attacking side' line.

were one of the best attacking sides in the league when we get into the opposition 20 just our defence lets up down

Sorry, I forgot we were in 1979.

Front Row in The England Squad

Carvell Higham and Morley

they aint there to make up the numbers either like Jon potty mouth Wilkin

I'll leave it at that

Fully fit i'd take our pack over any, even discounting Cayless. Far better quality. Our problem is depth, if we get injuries it is left to Jammer to carry the load alone.

Say no more.

We're not even in the top 5 I bet.
Sometimes I wonder what people watch, at times this year we looked terribly ordinary in the backs, especially from set plays. IMO this year barr King, Briers and at times Bridge our back 7 didn't look threatening.
(Im counting Monas as 9 for the most part)
There was times where we'd dominate periods of games and just couldnt get over the line, Cas H, Leeds H, Hull A (although eventually we scored), Bradford H are a few that sprig to mind

5th in tries scored. 8th in points for. Also only Celtic and Salford have conceeded more points.

This in my opinion is proof of the quality of our pack. Until the last game of the season I was struggling to remember any long range tries we had scored in the leagie, in particular at the HJ.

I may be wrong but it seems that the majority of tries we scored were close range tries meaning that the forwards had invariably moved us into that position.

And to clarify the comments on our poor pack.

Morley
Higham
Carvell
Westwood

all in the England train on squad.
Would expect Morley, Carvell and Westwood to make final 22


L Anderson, one of only 2 English based players in the NZ squad
Ben Harrison, one of the prospects in superleague.

Not bad.

However the link between the forwards and the backs, and the creativity coming from the halfbacks - in particular early in the season,has been atrocious at times this year. We suffered from the age old problem that if Briers didnt play we created nothing. Fortunately steps have been made to rectify this.

So IMO the forwards can hold their heads up high this year but could we see a bit more entertainment/flair from the backline next season please MR Smith.

Theres other packs in the legue like huddersfield who have got them to where they are. The only other team no-one has mentioned that personally is a good pack is Hull Kr so only a line i think we might have the 4th best pack?