While i agree penny isn't a good defender he can't be blamed for any of last nights tries and doesn't deserve criticism for last night's performance.

How do you honestly come to this conclusion, on numerous occasions (3 or 4)
Penny was a good 10-15 yards from his wing man meaning he had to put his foot down to cover him and on 2 of those occasions they scored.

He took Johnson of for Bridge when he got pasted by Gilmour.

If you can get hold of Saints highlights DVD's from the last two years, you will see Gidley doing this to all teams in SL. Saints work the ball well, and get the ball out in a two on two situation. Gidley will inevitably score.

I suppose the only way you can defend this is to hit Gidley as he is taking the ball, but the way Saints move it, that is nigh on impossible.

When all said and done Penny is not at the standard of a Super League player (yet) and should be replaced as soon as Gleeson is fit, until we do try's will always constantly be scored on his side, weather you blame him, King or Lowes he needs to be dropped.

Your wrong, your looking at it too blinkered.

Personally I'm not that bothered whether he gets dropped or not. I like him, I like his enthusiasm, and think he is one of themost exciting players around. But, based on last night, I'm not sure he will ever get the ball out wide anyway, so maybe we are just wasting him.

My issue with the above though, is that even if we have Reardon, or Riley in that position, teams will still score against us down that flank, as the problem is not just Kevin Penny.

The inexperienced guy on the wing is in all cases too easy to blame for poor defence out wide. If Penny is 10-15 metres away from King in the line when the ball has been flung out says to me that King didn't slide across like he should have done.

Let me put it another way, if Penny were 'correctly' positioned in relation to King, then there would be a huge overlap out wide and Gardner would be in for an easy score - and I confidently predict that people on this site would blame that on Penny for not sliding out.

your being way to kind

Why? out of Penny and King, King offers most.

You are joking aren't you?

No.

Penny's positives are: He can run.

King's positives are: He isn't to bad at going forward (like a prop would), He can catch a ball (from the air), He is stronger.

We dont play to Penny strengths anymore,we dont get him
in the positions we don't kick over the top to drive the
opposition back and give him a chance to chase,since
Matt King arrived he seems to have struggled big time.

If he continues to be slagged off and taken off his
confidence will just dive again i think if he was
playing outside Gleeson or in the Saints or Leeds
team you would see him score lots of tries and his
defence would hardly get a mention.

Would rather see Matt King disappear than one
of our own trained but thats another thread.

Please don't insult me by suggesting i know nothing about rugby and it's nothing about hating certain player, it's what's best for the team.
I also feel that King has no confidence in Penny and that he would have more it Gleeson.